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Old June 27 2013, 01:31 PM   #16
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Re: Changing the status quo - Good or Bad?

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I don't mind change, but I also miss "in-series" books and don't understand why we can't get a mix of the two instead of only relaunch books.
I love change as long as it's done well, but I find it hard to disagree with this. I'd love some novels set during unique periods in the shows' histories, like early season 1 TNG or another Pulaski novel, etc.
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Old June 27 2013, 02:05 PM   #17
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I don't mind change, but I also miss "in-series" books and don't understand why we can't get a mix of the two instead of only relaunch books.
I really don't miss the 'in series' books at all. I agree with Paper Moon about seeing the characters 'now'. Stand alone 'in show' novels just feel like episodes where everything gets put back in the box at the end.

The gaps between relaunch novels are already longer than I'd like without any other interruptions. Some filling in the gaps novels like Hollow Men are fine, but I wouldn't want too many.
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Old June 27 2013, 04:51 PM   #18
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Re: Changing the status quo - Good or Bad?

If the writers of TOS can still produce good fiction within the limitations of us knowing the outcome of their timeline then I believe there are still some good stories left with the crew of the old 1701-D.
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Old June 27 2013, 06:03 PM   #19
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I don't like the TOS 5 year mission stuff either. Getting something as good as Shocks of Adversity is rare, and I'd have traded that for another relaunch novel.
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Old June 28 2013, 06:29 AM   #20
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As a reader I'm all for change. That's probably the biggest part of my preference to the 24th century novels - you get the impression that things are actually going somewhere.

I have trouble reconciling this with not wanting characters to be killed off though...
Wasn't there a Spock quote about change in TUC, 'nature abhors a vacuum'? Cant remember now.

I want the characters to continue on as they would in 'real life'. People move on to other things, they grow, they die. I'm good with that. I may have an attachment to the characters but can accept what happens as long as the story is a good one.
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Old June 28 2013, 03:34 PM   #21
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^Yes, Spock did quote the classical proverb "Nature abhors a vacuum" when telling Valeris that he intended her to replace him as science officer.
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Old June 28 2013, 03:40 PM   #22
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I also think new characters can be as important as old classics.
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Old June 28 2013, 08:52 PM   #23
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^Exactly my opinion as well. Honestly I feel pretty much the same way about characters like Shar, Vaughn, Choudhury, T'Ryss, Eden, and Cambridge as I do characters like Spock, McCoy, Data, Riker, Dax, Quark, Paris, and Torres.
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Old June 28 2013, 09:02 PM   #24
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A certain characters loss in Cold Equations struck me like a punch in the gut. It seemed like such a waste.
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Old June 29 2013, 11:23 PM   #25
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Re: Changing the status quo - Good or Bad?

I like changes in the status quo, except when I don't like the changes.

Hence: yay for Deep Space Nine relaunch, less enthused for post-Destiny universe.

And hence: yay for The New Jedi Order, despised Legacy of the Force.

Or maybe I just don't like any status quo changes that have happened since I graduated college.
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Old June 29 2013, 11:52 PM   #26
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^Well, see, your mistake there was to change your status quo by graduating.
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Old June 30 2013, 04:50 AM   #27
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Re: Changing the status quo - Good or Bad?

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I don't mind change, but I also miss "in-series" books and don't understand why we can't get a mix of the two instead of only relaunch books.
I love change as long as it's done well, but I find it hard to disagree with this. I'd love some novels set during unique periods in the shows' histories, like early season 1 TNG or another Pulaski novel, etc.
Yes, I agree. The Star Trek novel line is broad enough that it can encompass ongoing stories as well as those set during series runs, IMO. Maybe a decision would be taken someday to have such stories for TNG, Voyager, and DS9, if only to test the market.
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Old June 30 2013, 04:59 AM   #28
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As a general rule, I look at change as positive whenever it adds to the universe and negative whenever it takes away. I'm not necessarilly opposed to the deaths of characters but I think it should be only when there's either no more stories to be told with said characters or the death results in a better story than anything else which could have been done with them. Which is, honestly, an unreasonably tall order for an author to fulfill.



I think they did it with the Borg, though, which is a big accomplishment.
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Old June 30 2013, 06:10 AM   #29
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I don't mind change, but I also miss "in-series" books and don't understand why we can't get a mix of the two instead of only relaunch books.
I love change as long as it's done well, but I find it hard to disagree with this. I'd love some novels set during unique periods in the shows' histories, like early season 1 TNG or another Pulaski novel, etc.
Yes, I agree. The Star Trek novel line is broad enough that it can encompass ongoing stories as well as those set during series runs, IMO. Maybe a decision would be taken someday to have such stories for TNG, Voyager, and DS9, if only to test the market.
I keep hoping maybe they'll start doing e-book novellas set during the series runs. It would be a the perfect way to give us episodic stories set during the series, and it would keep the people who don't read e-books from worrying about missing parts of the ongoing stories.
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Old June 30 2013, 09:20 AM   #30
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As a general rule, I look at change as positive whenever it adds to the universe and negative whenever it takes away. I'm not necessarilly opposed to the deaths of characters but I think it should be only when there's either no more stories to be told with said characters or the death results in a better story than anything else which could have been done with them. Which is, honestly, an unreasonably tall order for an author to fulfill.



I think they did it with the Borg, though, which is a big accomplishment.
It depends - if it is done for story driven dramatic purposes there will be a point. There will be a plot with structure that utilises it.

It can also be done more in a 'reflecting real life' way, unexpected, senseless, pointless and with no structured story point. Which is not to say that there will not be story opportunities and developments spun off from it.

Which is more realistic - character 'X' sacrificing themselves heroically to save the ship or dying from disease, accident or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time ?
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