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Old June 24 2013, 12:57 AM   #76
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^Humor. It is a difficult concept.
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Old June 24 2013, 01:02 AM   #77
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^Humor. It is a difficult concept.
I understand the joke. It's not funny.

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Old June 24 2013, 10:41 PM   #78
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We learn by doing.
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Old June 25 2013, 12:04 AM   #79
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^Who's been holding up the damn elevator?

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Old June 25 2013, 01:48 AM   #80
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^Who's been holding up the damn elevator?

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I'm surprised that someone hasn't leap on that line stating that Meyer had no respect for Trek, as McCoy should have said "turbolift"!

Yeah, I'm kidding, but you know that someone, somewhere out there, has thought it!

Quickly back to the point at hand, we have to remember that TWOK used the Ceti Alpha V/VI mistaken-identity as just a throw-away line to get Khan into the action. How else could you get a Federation starship to pick up Khan and his followers?

Any way they did it, you would still have people thirty years later complaining it was a plot-hole as surely there would have been some huge red-flag in Starfleet's computer database indicating going to Ceti-Alpha V was a big no-no.

We can only assume that for some reason Ceti-Alpha V may have been red-flagged, but the Ceti-Alpha system as a whole wasn't, a screw-up on Kirk's part.
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Old June 25 2013, 03:40 AM   #81
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I've always felt it was entirely in character for the old-fashioned McCoy to call them elevators.
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Old June 25 2013, 08:05 PM   #82
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I've always felt it was entirely in character for the old-fashioned McCoy to call them elevators.
As do I. And it's not as though it isn't clear what he's talking about.

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Old June 26 2013, 01:38 PM   #83
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I removed one planet from one of these pictures. See how easy it is to notice the missing planet.



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Old June 26 2013, 01:46 PM   #84
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^Yeah, right -- because we all know that Starfleet has never heard of computers and all their sensor analysis is done with the naked eye.

Heck, even if that were true, astronomers have been detecting subtle changes between successive photographs for centuries. That's a keystone of observational astronomy, and it's how thousands of discoveries have been made. What may not be evident to the layperson would stick out like a sore thumb to any trained astronomer.
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Old June 26 2013, 03:16 PM   #85
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There's more to spatial navigation than picking a star and counting the number of planets on the way in. It seems pretty obvious that when a starship plots a course to a planet, the procedure would likely include determining where in its orbit the planet is going to be at a given time so they can intercet. For example, when Sulu plots a course to a destinaton, he uses a set of coordinates. If nobody has been there before, they could just set a course to the solar system in general and then plot from there.

However, since the Enterprise has been to the Ceti Alpha system, it would have been catalogued and very specific information should be in the Starfleet database. They would have enough information to determine the coordinates of each planet and the numbers would be the same no matter what angle you approach them from (so they wouldn't be counting planets as they approached). Reliant should get to where Ceti Alpha 6 was supposed to be and see that it's no longer there. To use a Star Wars example, when Han Solo came out of hyperspace at Alderaan, there was nothing left but fragments. However, his coordinates took him to where the planet should have been. That is pretty much how it should have worked for The Reliant.

The story implication is that the explosion moved Ceti Alpha 5 into the exact orbit of Ceti Alpha 6. This is ridiculous. Adding to this, as stated upthread, there is no debris or any evidence that such a cataclysm has taken place. This is insane and almost inexcusable.

I say "almost" because there only possible explanation I can think of is that Chekov plotted the course himself, mistakenly and/or subconsciously chosing Ceti Alpha 5. Human error, particularly in Chekov, is always possible. A ship coming out of warp at the proper coordinates might not be paying attention to the rest of the system. However, since this weak explanation was not in the script, it's still a pretty sizable hole.
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Old June 27 2013, 12:48 AM   #86
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Human error, particularly in Chekov, is always possible.


It's in my personal canon that the creature crawled out of his ear out of hunger.
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Old June 27 2013, 12:51 AM   #87
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It's in my personal canon that the creature crawled out of his ear out of hunger.


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Old June 27 2013, 09:27 PM   #88
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Human error, particularly in Chekov, is always possible.


It's in my personal canon that the creature crawled out of his ear out of hunger.
A little harsh - after TWOK he became a well-rounded person, with his own friends, credit cars and keys...
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Old June 27 2013, 09:35 PM   #89
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A little harsh - after TWOK he became a well-rounded person, with his own friends, credit cars and keys...
Not harsh at all. Chekov was by far the weakest link of that group. Whether he was getting zapped by a discharge from V'Ger or falling off of an aircraft carrier, he was always finding ways to get himself in trouble.

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Old June 28 2013, 12:33 AM   #90
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A little harsh - after TWOK he became a well-rounded person, with his own friends, credit cars and keys...
And yet him and George still had to share Melllvar's fan-script...
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