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Old June 26 2013, 09:42 PM   #2461
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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Tuesday number: $479,917 for $217,649,868 so far.
Worldwide: $431,049,868
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Old June 26 2013, 09:59 PM   #2462
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So what did you mean by "take off" or "become a joke?"
In the former case, led to move movies, whereas the last two Batman flicks resulted in zero. And in the latter case, everybody laughed at them. Franchises that are poorly regarded by people, not critics, become financial failures. Besides, even in the heyday of Supes and Batman, they were pretty much the only two around. What X-Men showed is that the genre was commercially viable again.

EDIT: and the last movie of each franchise, Superman and Batman, lost money.

How does one rate the success or failure of a big-budget comic book movie if not by box office?
Box office is short-term success, sure. Viability, the long-term success, is trickier.
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Old June 26 2013, 10:09 PM   #2463
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Tuesday number: $479,917 for $217,649,868 so far.
Worldwide: $431,049,868

Wow, what a "failure" this movie is. A "complete flop". lol
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Old June 26 2013, 10:12 PM   #2464
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In the former case, led to move movies, whereas the last two Batman flicks resulted in zero.
Batman Forever still had other studios wanting to chase that kind of box office. Marvel was pushing to get films made at that point precisely because of how much money Batman was still making circa 1995. Thereafter Batman faltered and the Marvel films stepped in as the impetus of the next wave of films.

Besides, even in the heyday of Supes and Batman, they were pretty much the only two around. What X-Men showed is that the genre was commercially viable again.
Batman led to a fair number of comic book movies in the 1990s, far more than had been made in the 1980s. The wave from the 2000s that continues through to the present is again that much larger. Each wave has gotten bigger in succession.
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Old June 26 2013, 10:29 PM   #2465
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So what did you mean by "take off" or "become a joke?"
In the former case, led to move movies, whereas the last two Batman flicks resulted in zero. And in the latter case, everybody laughed at them. Franchises that are poorly regarded by people, not critics, become financial failures. Besides, even in the heyday of Supes and Batman, they were pretty much the only two around. What X-Men showed is that the genre was commercially viable again.

EDIT: and the last movie of each franchise, Superman and Batman, lost money.

How does one rate the success or failure of a big-budget comic book movie if not by box office?
Box office is short-term success, sure. Viability, the long-term success, is trickier.

The original "Batman" and "Superman" film series each lasted for four films, and five of the eight were extremely successfull. A four-film series is a huge success by any measure. Just looking at the last film of each series to prove that they eventually wound down is an unfair comparison.

By that standard, the failures of "daredevil," "catwoman," "hulk," and "elektra" prove that the 2000s were a bad decade for comic book movies.
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Old June 27 2013, 12:31 AM   #2466
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I said Blade started the current superhero craze, not that it was the most popular. It was successful with using a superhero character, leading the other studios to take more chances with the genre.

If you want to argue most popular superhero movie, that would be the Avengers, but that didn't start anything.
Blade is not a superhero. He's a comic book character. If appearing in a comicbook makes you a super hero then Scrooge McDuck is also a superhero.
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Old June 27 2013, 12:33 AM   #2467
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The original "Batman" and "Superman" film series each lasted for four films, and five of the eight were extremely successfull.
It's pretty funny how you avoid addressing my actual argument. You act as though Batman And Robin and Superman IV never existed. Those are the movies that sunk the franchises, and in each case the previous outings were of markedly lower quality than the first two chapters. The superhero genre was in dire straights, and Marvel stepped in, as Out of My Vulcan Mind pointed out.
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Old June 27 2013, 01:05 AM   #2468
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Blade is not a superhero. He's a comic book character. If appearing in a comicbook makes you a super hero then Scrooge McDuck is also a superhero.
Blade is a superhero. He is even listed as part of the superhero genre on boxofficemojo.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=blade.htm
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Old June 27 2013, 01:07 AM   #2469
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The original "Batman" and "Superman" film series each lasted for four films, and five of the eight were extremely successfull.
It's pretty funny how you avoid addressing my actual argument. You act as though Batman And Robin and Superman IV never existed. Those are the movies that sunk the franchises, and in each case the previous outings were of markedly lower quality than the first two chapters. The superhero genre was in dire straights, and Marvel stepped in, as Out of My Vulcan Mind pointed out.

I did address your argument. Your argument is to ignore the huge successes of both franchises in order to focus on the ONE FILM in each series that did poorly.(and actually, "batman and robin" STILL made $107 million domestically)

And as I pointed out, ignoring the successes to focus on the failures is not a fair way of looking at it.
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Old June 27 2013, 01:46 AM   #2470
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Blade is not a superhero. He's a comic book character. If appearing in a comicbook makes you a super hero then Scrooge McDuck is also a superhero.
Blade is a superhero. He is even listed as part of the superhero genre on boxofficemojo.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=blade.htm
That's nice. Like others, they conflate comic book with superhero. Blade is a guy who hunts Vampires and is a human/vampire hybrid. He was created in the Tomb of Dracula series, a horror comic. So, is Jack Russell, the central character in Werewolf By Night also a Superhero?
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Old June 27 2013, 01:50 AM   #2471
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I'm worried about Paramount's promotion here in venezuela. We are 3 weeks away from the Film and I haven't seen the first POSTER.
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Old June 27 2013, 02:21 AM   #2472
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Blade is not a superhero. He's a comic book character. If appearing in a comicbook makes you a super hero then Scrooge McDuck is also a superhero.
Blade is a superhero. He is even listed as part of the superhero genre on boxofficemojo.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=blade.htm
How the hell is Blade not a superhero he's a fucking super human/vampire wrecking machine.
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Old June 27 2013, 02:56 AM   #2473
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How the hell is Blade not a superhero he's a fucking super human/vampire wrecking machine.
The characters in the Underworld movies have superpowers because they're vampires and werewolves, but they're not superheroes. The line as to who is and isn't a superhero can be a little fuzzy. I'd say Blade has become more of a superhero character in the comics over the years as he's become more enmeshed in the Marvel Universe and has joined superhero groups, but most moviegoers wouldn't look at the Blade movies as superhero movies. They'd see them as horror action movies.
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Old June 27 2013, 03:04 AM   #2474
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Blade and Werewolf by Night had each paired up with Spider-Man in Marvel Team-Up in the 70s/80s (I have the comics in a box in my basement). That doesn't make them classic "superheroes", of course, but it puts them into the same playground.
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Blade is not a superhero. He's a comic book character. If appearing in a comicbook makes you a super hero then Scrooge McDuck is also a superhero.
Blade is a superhero. He is even listed as part of the superhero genre on boxofficemojo.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=blade.htm
How the hell is Blade not a superhero he's a fucking super human/vampire wrecking machine.
Because he fights vampires for a living and was created in a horror comic to fight Dracula, not Doctor Doom or Magneto. He's a horror character. Just as Swamp Thing is a horror character not a superhero.
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