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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 26 2013, 11:37 PM   #31
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No, the guards were right. Remember what I said: they have absolute authority over whatever or whoever it is they are guarding. If anyone barges in and demands access without proper orders/ID, the guards can bar them, even if it's the highest of flag officers.
I'm not questioning their authority over the prison area. I'm questioning why they gave Kirk and Sulu so much attitude. Neither man barged into the detention block without ID, nor did they threaten the guards in any manner until it was time to break McCoy out his cell. Authority is not an excuse to act like a spoiled brat.

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Old June 26 2013, 11:40 PM   #32
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Pretty much so. I worked in some secure facilities while in the Army. If you weren't on the access roster, you weren't getting into the building no matter how many stars you had on your collar. Period.
I'm not questioning that. I'm questioning the guards' attitudes after they allowed Kirk and Sulu to enter the area. If they felt either officer's being there was inappropriate, they should have asked them to leave. Name-calling and grand-standing wasn't necessary, though it doesn't surprise me that a couple of uneducated grunts with ugly uniforms and stupid hats wouldn't understand that.

If the best you can come up with is, "Don't get smart, Tiny," you're probably not that bright to begin with.

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Old June 26 2013, 11:43 PM   #33
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Maybe the guard thought Sulu was going to try to talk his way into being allowed access to McCoy and so the guard decided to shut Sulu up before he could say anything.
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Old June 26 2013, 11:51 PM   #34
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Maybe the guard thought Sulu was going to try to talk his way into being allowed access to McCoy and so the guard decided to shut Sulu up before he could say anything.
Because he said, "Keeping you busy?" It looked more like the guard was being defensive because Sulu caught him yawning at his post.

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Old June 27 2013, 12:00 AM   #35
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Enlisted personnel do not order around flag officers under any circumstances. The guards were out of order.
No, the guards were right. Remember what I said: they have absolute authority over whatever or whoever it is they are guarding. If anyone barges in and demands access without proper orders/ID, the guards can bar them, even if it's the highest of flag officers.
I know, I already said that in post #20.
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Old June 30 2013, 06:08 AM   #36
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No, the guards were right. Remember what I said: they have absolute authority over whatever or whoever it is they are guarding. If anyone barges in and demands access without proper orders/ID, the guards can bar them, even if it's the highest of flag officers.
I'm not questioning their authority over the prison area. I'm questioning why they gave Kirk and Sulu so much attitude. Neither man barged into the detention block without ID, nor did they threaten the guards in any manner until it was time to break McCoy out his cell. Authority is not an excuse to act like a spoiled brat.

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The only thing that I can say is that these guys didn't really know that much about Kirk, McCoy, and Sulu, so they treated them like crap, as they would with anybody who's about to be put in jail or in the process of being let out.
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Old July 1 2013, 04:31 AM   #37
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All of the non-hero Starfleet/Federation types in that film are straw men to make our heroes look good, so the guards wouldn't be any different.
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Old July 4 2013, 02:06 PM   #38
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they have absolute authority over whatever or whoever it is they are guarding. If anyone barges in and demands access without proper orders/ID, the guards can bar them, even if it's the highest of flag officers.
It would help if they were ANY good in a fight to back that 'absolute authority' up.

Come on, one punch and they are down. (the other I dont even know what Sulu did to him)
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Old July 4 2013, 06:13 PM   #39
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^Judo, duh.
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Old July 4 2013, 10:18 PM   #40
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If they felt either officer's being there was inappropriate, they should have asked them to leave.
Asked? No, the guards would have ordered them to leave. Inside that facility Kirk's rank was meaningless.

Perhaps the manner displayed toward Kirk and others had to do with the Starfleet rumor mill.

The detail were likely unknown, but it might have been common knowledge that Kirk was involved in the destruction of the Reliant, getting the Enterprise shot up, his first officer was dead, cadets were dead, and now a section of space was off limits.

Kirk was seen as a hot shot screw-up.

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Old July 4 2013, 10:29 PM   #41
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Asked? No, the guards would have ordered them to leave. Inside that facility Kirk's rank was meaningless.
You know what I meant. Your post was unnecessary.

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Old July 5 2013, 01:57 AM   #42
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Inside that facility Kirk's rank was meaningless.
But his fist wasnt.

With those guards, Starfleet was lucky a real horrorist didnt show up.
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Old July 5 2013, 01:35 PM   #43
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Maybe the guard thought Sulu was going to try to talk his way into being allowed access to McCoy and so the guard decided to shut Sulu up before he could say anything.
Because he said, "Keeping you busy?" It looked more like the guard was being defensive because Sulu caught him yawning at his post.

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To be honest it's probably "Little Hitler" syndrome. You know, like the Mall Guard or College Campus Security Officer who thinks that just because they got a uniform and a badge, they're gods in their own little world.

Newspapers are full of examples where people like this boss people around because in their field they have "power", the vocal few like them giving the general impression that all of them are like that, which explains why a lot of real Law Enforcement Officers usually treat guys doing this kind of job with contempt .
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Old July 7 2013, 07:56 PM   #44
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I always suspected that, because of gene pool stagnation, there were only aproximately seven intelligent people left on Earth (mutants, maybe) by the 23rd century, and all of them ended up in the Enterprise crew. Admiral Morrow, the jail guard, et c, et c, were typical of their stations' intellectual level.

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Old July 18 2013, 10:26 AM   #45
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We had not seen a Starfleet moron in NuTrek yet. There is hope.
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