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Old June 24 2013, 04:57 PM   #31
Captain McBain
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Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?

It seems like some of you are equating the 'kill' setting with 'vaporize.' Sure, the vaporize setting obviously does kill, but I thought that the kill setting was specifically located between maximum stun and vaporize on the phaser. The kill setting, so I thought, killed the person, but the body remained, unlike the other settings.
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Old June 24 2013, 05:23 PM   #32
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Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?

We saw phaser disintegration victims in TWOK scream as they vanished. However, this is probably simply a case of the advance of special effects allowing movement during the disintegration effect (note how they were also able to move and converse during transporting). Although in TOS people just froze and disintegrated, the hapless O'Herlihy appeared to grimace just before his disintegration in Arena. IIRC though the Gorn were using disruptors rather than phasers at that point.

Kodos also appeared to be in great pain while dying, and he was only shot on the kill setting.

The likelyhood is that a phaser on kill/disintegrate does hurt, just not for long, apart from obviously if the kill setting leaves gaping wounds in the body.
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Old June 26 2013, 09:40 PM   #33
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Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?

Timo wrote: View Post
General musings: Valeris supposedly was highly positioned in the conspiracy, as she knew key facts no random hitman need know. She'd thus probably have a lot riding on it. But then comes the "Logically, you have to fire" scene - and she doesn't kill Spock.

Three ways to read that. One, she was decent to the point of illogic, and would rather see millions suffer in the distance (the thing the conspiracy supposedly wanted to avoid, by shifting all the suffering to the Klingons instead) than inflict damage on somebody she can see, hear and touch. Two, she always was in the conspiracy for reasons of pure personal benefit (what those might be, we don't know), and sacrificing herself to the cause would not be part of her agenda under any circumstances. Three, she saw immediately that Spock was wrong/lying, and that killing him and Kirk and the rest would not benefit the conspiracy at this point.
She just couldn't bring herself to kill her mentor, even though it would have been the "logical" thing to do. She was too emotionally attached to Spock, despite being a Vulcan. She respected and admired (and I daresay loved) him too much. Remember, the character was originally supposed to be Saavik.
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