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Old June 25 2013, 09:40 PM   #31
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Re: Would Worf get into Sto Vo Kor?

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Remember, Klingons killed their gods, so the only authorities over the afterlife are the Klingon leaders. We don't know if they have a Pope, so the Council very well may have the final say on who is qualified to enter Sto Vo Kor.
That's conjecture, as it's never shown on screen, and the only person who utters the line was himself not present for those events.

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Old June 25 2013, 09:48 PM   #32
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Re: Would Worf get into Sto Vo Kor?

Conjecture?? What? Do you expect the Klingon mythology to be depicted onscreen? It's fiction within fiction!

From the DS9 epsiode "Homefront", where Worf and Kira are discussing their respective beliefs -

WORF: Our gods are dead. Ancient Klingon warriors slew them a millennia ago. They were more trouble than they were worth.
Klingon mythology says they had gods, and then killed them all off. Who will be the spiritual authority of Sto Vo Kor, then, if not the gods, since they're dead? Presumably the Council!

If you're a Klingon warrior, and believe in Sto Vo Kor, then presumably you'll listen to the authorities about what it takes to be granted entrance to Sto Vo Kor. Who but the Council would be the leading authority on the afterlife?
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Old June 25 2013, 09:53 PM   #33
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If you're a Klingon warrior, and believe in Sto Vo Kor, then presumably you'll listen to the authorities about what it takes to be granted entrance to Sto Vo Kor. Who but the Council would be the leading authority on the afterlife?
Let me put it this way: not everyone who practices a faith agrees with every aspect of said faith. If Worf really believed he was condemned to an existence without honor, it's hard to believe he would have risked Gowron's ire because he believed he was right, regardless of Gowron's perceived authority.

I'm Methodist and attend church regularly. That doesn't mean I'm going to do everything my minister tells me to do, nor does it mean that he holds the key to my getting into Heaven. I have my own sense of what's right and wrong that means more to me than the words of a religious authority.

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Old June 25 2013, 09:57 PM   #34
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And you have a very human take on spirituality, Sran, that Klingons wouldn't necessarily share. They're supposed to be aliens, not just humans with bumpy foreheads.
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Old June 25 2013, 10:02 PM   #35
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And you have a very human take on spirituality, Sran, that Klingons wouldn't necessarily share. They're supposed to be aliens, not just humans with bumpy foreheads.
As you said, Klingons are fictional characters. That being the case, none of us know what a real Klingon would say about his spiritual beliefs. I have only my human experience with which to understand the perspective that a character in a fictional would have about the possibility of reaching the afterlife.

One could go by what's in the script, but scripts are ultimately written by human authors depicting their own views of religion and spirituality, be it Klingon, Romulan, Bajoran, or otherwise.

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Old June 25 2013, 11:13 PM   #36
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Re: Would Worf get into Sto Vo Kor?

Look at Barge of Death.... Ok, so this post is about Worf, but Torres is still Klingon...
It says there the stuff she has to do to get her mother into Sto Vo Kor
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Old June 25 2013, 11:17 PM   #37
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^That was a dream sequence, so it's debatable how much of that really applies to Klingon mythology.

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Old June 26 2013, 03:38 AM   #38
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O'brien says that worf told him that dax won't get into sto vo kor because she didn't eat the heart of the enemy. If worf believes that is a requirement, AND it applied to kor, then it's evidence enough to be a requirement for me.

It's just weird to picture Worf eating the heart of some slain romulan (or whatever species), and i don't think he's ever done it.
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Old June 26 2013, 04:43 AM   #39
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The way O'Brien words it, it's not a certainty that you have to eat the heart of an enemy. It sounds that way, but a case could very easily be made for it being just one option.

Besides, Klingon beliefs vary wildly...it's almost as though they make them up as they go, sometimes forgetting old ones.
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Old June 26 2013, 05:36 AM   #40
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^That was a dream sequence
...maybe.
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