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Old June 5 2013, 09:51 PM   #136
Elim Garakov
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Re: why is there no more talk of a new star trek tv series?

I mean any Star trek show has to compete against a lot of stuff on TV although of they re will there a way.
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Old June 19 2013, 09:03 PM   #137
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Re: why is there no more talk of a new star trek tv series?

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Television is actually the medium where the best work is being done today.
As far as writing is concerned, this is true.
Really? I watched two episodes of Defiance last week and the first Falling Skies episode of the the new season. I rather feel there's now enough good sci-fi on TV these days...
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Old June 19 2013, 09:15 PM   #138
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Television is actually the medium where the best work is being done today.
As far as writing is concerned, this is true.
Really? I watched two episodes of Defiance last week and the first Falling Skies episode of the the new season. I rather feel there's now enough good sci-fi on TV these days...
Unfortunately for me, no matter how good these shows are, they aren't the kind of SF I want to see on TV. I don't want to see an invaded Earth, I want to see something set in space, and these shows don't scratch that itch.
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Old June 19 2013, 09:46 PM   #139
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As far as writing is concerned, this is true.
Really? I watched two episodes of Defiance last week and the first Falling Skies episode of the the new season. I rather feel there's now enough good sci-fi on TV these days...
Unfortunately for me, no matter how good these shows are, they aren't the kind of SF I want to see on TV. I don't want to see an invaded Earth, I want to see something set in space, and these shows don't scratch that itch.
Thank you for admitting it. Too often fans complain about not enough science fiction on TV, and what they really mean is, "not enough space opera". It's undeniable that there aren't a lot of space operas on TV, but that doesn't mean that there is no science fiction on tv.
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Old June 19 2013, 10:16 PM   #140
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Really? I watched two episodes of Defiance last week and the first Falling Skies episode of the the new season. I rather feel there's now enough good sci-fi on TV these days...
Unfortunately for me, no matter how good these shows are, they aren't the kind of SF I want to see on TV. I don't want to see an invaded Earth, I want to see something set in space, and these shows don't scratch that itch.
Thank you for admitting it. Too often fans complain about not enough science fiction on TV, and what they really mean is, "not enough space opera". It's undeniable that there aren't a lot of space operas on TV, but that doesn't mean that there is no science fiction on tv.
Of course I'll admit it. I don't want people pointing at shows that aren't what I want at all, and saying "see, you got your wish!"

I'm not saying what we have now is bad, just that it's not what I'm looking for as a viewer.
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Old June 20 2013, 12:30 AM   #141
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oo often fans complain about not enough science fiction on TV, and what they really mean is, "not enough space opera".
Hell Yeah ! Star Wars got some of that going back in the late 70s and early 80s, but we haven't got any good number of those since that time.
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Old June 26 2013, 04:15 AM   #142
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ENT failed because, like TOS, it was neglected by the powers that be with the additional tragedy that the former became better while the latter became worse when it got cancelled.
"Better" is a relative term, particularly when it comes to Enterprise. Yes, it improved as it aged, but I don't feel it was even moderately interesting or compelling, even by its last season.
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Old June 26 2013, 04:42 AM   #143
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ENT failed because, like TOS, it was neglected by the powers that be with the additional tragedy that the former became better while the latter became worse when it got cancelled.
"Better" is a relative term, particularly when it comes to Enterprise. Yes, it improved as it aged, but I don't feel it was even moderately interesting or compelling, even by its last season.
I actually found most of the 4th Season to be very good, best of the series (although the final episode still leaves a sour taste in my mouth).
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Old June 26 2013, 10:42 AM   #144
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I thought the third and fourth season were pretty good, myself. In fact, the 4th season format was, in my opinion, the best ever for Trek.
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Old June 26 2013, 05:15 PM   #145
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I thought the third and fourth season were pretty good, myself. In fact, the 4th season format was, in my opinion, the best ever for Trek.
The fourth season format was good. But the episodes themselves were a little too much fanwank for me. Especially the Klingon plague episodes. The season felt like they said, "the average fan isn't watching anyone, so let's go mine history and create episodes around every tiny detail we can."
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Old June 26 2013, 05:52 PM   #146
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I thought that the 4th season was the best. Some may complain about foreshadowing things in TOS, but I had no problem with it.
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Old June 26 2013, 06:21 PM   #147
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The fourth season format was good. But the episodes themselves were a little too much fanwank for me.
That's been a huge problem with Star Trek since even TMP, which wasn't a reboot but assumed people were familiar with the crew and ship and wanted to see 5 minutes of spinning around the new (glorious) model. TWOK brought back Khan. TSFS made a few references to old Trek, TFF felt like a TOS episode, etc. TNG did it a few times as well in the first season, and the entire premise of Voyager feels like a return to the golden age of Trek. Same with Enterprise. And now with the reboot. Trek has been riding on nostalgia for a long, long time.

Mind you, this isn't unique to Star Trek. The SW prequels and the 2014 Rebels series rely quite a bit on the original trilogy. Same with a lot of franchises.

What's interesting to me is the Japanese format for tv shows and anime, who typically (read: mostly, not always) run for a single season or half-season, then move on to another story/universe entirely.

Especially the Klingon plague episodes.
Yeah. I never felt the change in appearance needed an in-universe explanation. For what it's worth, however, it was well done.
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