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Old June 24 2013, 06:12 AM   #76
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Re: TNG re-released on DVD

I just saw the season 5 rerelease box today at the store, and it's terrible.

Cheap plastic box and even cheaper ugly paper slipcover.

The silver season TNG boxsets are MUCH more classy, even if they are bulkier. For those thinking about getting this series on dvd, go with the original packaging.
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Old June 25 2013, 03:07 AM   #77
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With upscaling her DVDs will actually look BETTER on a Bluray player...
Upscaling is dependent on the quality of the image delivered by the DVD. The best upscaler is not going to make those early 2000 Next Gen DVD's even approach the Blu-Ray.

As stated before, this is obviously a cash-grab with old stock. I would stick with the used market, or get a Netflix or Amazon Prime membership if someone was not interested in the Blu-Ray's.
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Old June 25 2013, 06:48 AM   #78
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http://www.startrek.com/article/firs...-dvd-packaging

These look pretty cool. Considering I don't have a blu-ray player and I don't plan on buying one any time soon, I think I may buy these. I don't own any TNG on DVD and I'd prefer these over the complete series set that I heard has terrible packaging.
Bah. Go and buy a blu ray player. They don't cost that much these days, and they'll play all your DVDs as well.
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Old June 25 2013, 10:43 PM   #79
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I wonder how many more people out there are like that, that they honestly don't know BluRay players can play DVDs too?
I think a lot of it is more "don't care" as with a lot of tech, it isn't like they are exactly shy about it when advertising BD...

...which they really no longer do! Sadly, given how nice and shiny the picture and sound are, BD, at least here in the UK, has gone as far as it is going to go, and the ill-advised 3D format as well as grossly over-priced has been a bit of a failure. The rise of streaming services and popularity of subscription TV has hit disc sales hard, with £3 a perfectly sensible target price for any film over a year after release on DVD.

I'd say a serious risk now is not so much that the DS9 and VGR remasters won't happen, but at least VGR will probably miss the boat for BD altogether, and we will see it only on download services.

If it also leads to the death of 3D however, I couldn't be happier, it sucks balls.
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Old June 25 2013, 10:45 PM   #80
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With upscaling her DVDs will actually look BETTER on a Bluray player...
No, they won't.
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Old June 26 2013, 03:03 AM   #81
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With upscaling her DVDs will actually look BETTER on a Bluray player...
No, they won't.
When the first season was released on blu-ray, I did a comparison & I took one of the old dvd's and played it (upscaled) through my Oppo BDP-93 to my HD television. It wasn't even close in quality. As a matter of fact, in my opinion - the high definition screen makes it quite obvious how "low rez" the source is.
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Old June 26 2013, 08:01 AM   #82
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I thought some comparisons would be in order. I grabbed some screencaps from the most recent bluray gallery Trekcore posted and matching shots from the DVD version, upscaled the latter to match the 1080 pixel height of the first, and slapped them together. Two shots each of model work and the actors.

It's not just the resolution, it's things like the color timing (the biggest change to me) and much, much better shadows and black levels.







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Old June 26 2013, 02:10 PM   #83
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I wonder how many more people out there are like that, that they honestly don't know BluRay players can play DVDs too?
I think a lot of it is more "don't care" as with a lot of tech, it isn't like they are exactly shy about it when advertising BD...

...which they really no longer do! Sadly, given how nice and shiny the picture and sound are, BD, at least here in the UK, has gone as far as it is going to go, and the ill-advised 3D format as well as grossly over-priced has been a bit of a failure. The rise of streaming services and popularity of subscription TV has hit disc sales hard, with £3 a perfectly sensible target price for any film over a year after release on DVD.

I'd say a serious risk now is not so much that the DS9 and VGR remasters won't happen, but at least VGR will probably miss the boat for BD altogether, and we will see it only on download services.

If it also leads to the death of 3D however, I couldn't be happier, it sucks balls.
The figures seem to show BD is gaining ground, or maybe just DVD continues to erode. Here in the US, when they advertise a new movie, they usually say "get it on BD or DVD" w/ BD announced first. However, the news media still have their "DVD review" or "release" sections, where they don't even mention BD. Anecdotally, very few people I know have a BD player, nor do they care. I don't even bother to proselytize any more.
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Old June 27 2013, 10:44 PM   #84
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With upscaling her DVDs will actually look BETTER on a Bluray player...
No, they won't.
When the first season was released on blu-ray, I did a comparison & I took one of the old dvd's and played it (upscaled) through my Oppo BDP-93 to my HD television. It wasn't even close in quality. As a matter of fact, in my opinion - the high definition screen makes it quite obvious how "low rez" the source is.
The only point to upscaling is so that the standard definition image can fill the screen. It doesn't make anything better, it doesn't turn it into HD, just lets it fill the screen.

All HDTVs upscale. They have to do it, because otherwise you'd see a postage-stamp-sized image. The question is, which does it better - the HDTV or the player? And most of the time it's the HDTV.
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Old June 28 2013, 09:49 AM   #85
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Most TVs have pretty cheap scalers in them, although in my experience plasma TVs are better at displaying SD content than LCDs.
My PS3 upscales SD content better than my TV does, which is understandable given the difference in processing hardware in each.

But, yes, ultimately you are just taking some pixels and trying to make it look like more pixels. It's no substitute for HD.
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Old June 29 2013, 01:56 PM   #86
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I'm certain I'll get loudly shouted down for this, but as a home theatre entusiast of many decades standing I'll offer my opinion nevertheless. In my experience, the better the chipset, the better the final image on screen appears, and yes, that means noticeably and visibly improved picture quality.

I'm not for a nanosecond arguing upscaling can even come close to producing an HD image - I still get a chuckle from various manufacturers marketing hyperbole reference "near HD upscaling" for their budget players!

But, in premium machines, jaggies reduction, deinterlacing etc are definitely performed to a higher standard.
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Old June 30 2013, 12:05 AM   #87
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To my opinion it all comes down to the used source material on the DVDs.
And the used chipset of course too.
Just take the "Lord of the rings" on DVD f.e.
Upscaled on a proper system (I do that with a Panasonic BD player which manages upscaling quite well imho) the outcome is really remarkable! Still no comparison to the way higher resoluted BDs, but still quite an enhancement over "standard DVD" experience.
When I take the "Lord of the Rings" DVDs and play with the HDMI resolution and switch between 480p and 1080p i can see a hell of a lot of improovement in picture detail there!
Whereas if I do the same with those quite awful TNG-DVDs, all I can see is that the blurry picture looses some sharpness, but that's mostly it, because the source was crap.
Upscaling can't do miracles to bad source material, but it can hugely improove good source stuff that is just restricted due to the DVD standard resolution.

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Old July 1 2013, 11:06 AM   #88
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"HD Ready" televisions annoy me. They might aswell say "not HD" television!
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Old July 1 2013, 03:18 PM   #89
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"HD Ready" televisions annoy me. They might aswell say "not HD" television!

But they are HD, and therefore "ready" for any HD content to be delivered into them.
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Old July 1 2013, 07:31 PM   #90
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"HD Ready" in the UK usually means 720p only. 1080p are marketed as "Full HD". It's a very cheeky marketing trick which I'm surprised the ASA hasn't looked at.
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