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Old June 22 2013, 12:13 PM   #46
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Re: Should Chakotay have been more of a "bad ass"

How much more popular would Kes have been if she was making moonshine off to the side of her Aeroponics farm... Exactly what spirit would one eke out of Leola root?
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Old June 22 2013, 12:22 PM   #47
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Re: Should Chakotay have been more of a "bad ass"

Since it's a root, vodka (which is often made from potatoes).

Are people really so namby pamby in the 24th century that no one is brewing their own below decks? A little pruno in private quarters? I think the holodeck killed the fun in that, no reason to be naughty and ingenious when you can go to Risa on your lunch break.

"Look look, I made a still and brewed this disgusting yet agreeably potent alcohol from kitchen scraps!"

"Uh huh.. and I'm off to Wrigley's Pleasure Planet for 12 course sex frolic."

I bet luddites bemoan how the holodeck has sapped people of creative impulses.
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Old June 22 2013, 12:38 PM   #48
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Creative impulses can only come from the demon in the bottle?
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Old June 22 2013, 12:55 PM   #49
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Re: Should Chakotay have been more of a "bad ass"

I'm sure there's a ton of stuff people don't do any more because of the holodeck.

They had a still on Battlestar Galactica. I think they had one on Stargate Universe too though I may be wrong there. No one is going to bother on Voyager because they have the holodeck. Side projects that could get you in trouble have no point when you can do whatever you like on the holodeck.
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Old June 22 2013, 01:32 PM   #50
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Well Battlestar was set in the past not the future. Yes there was a still on Universe, and in Season two TNG UP The Long Ladder, the Enterprise's automatic fire suppression systems shut it down almost as soon as it got started.

Only Tuvok, Janeway or Chakotay probably have the authority to turn off the automatic fire suppression systems even briefly... Although Neelix has an open flame going on in his kitchen and I suppose heating coils are not out of the question in making a still if you don't care about flavour.

Replicated booze has no alcohol.

So sad.
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Old June 22 2013, 01:50 PM   #51
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Neelix's enormous fires shooting up around his pans have always baffled me.
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Old June 22 2013, 01:58 PM   #52
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It has to have been his stove from his ship? But Federation Engineers can build replicators from rocks, so why not a propane burner?
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Old June 22 2013, 02:06 PM   #53
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Maybe it would make sense if this was all wok style cooking (though it's still extreme) but he has these fires up the sides of pots he's simply boiling stuff in. That's a good point that it might be from his ship, hadn't thought of that. I bet he would have had an argument on his hands when everyone else first saw that hazard.
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Old June 22 2013, 05:24 PM   #54
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Well the problem with Chakotay not differentiating himself from Janeway is a microcosm of the whole dynamic of the Maquis and Starfleet crew members. They were too similar. Hell, most of the former Maquis were former Starfleet officers, who were drummed out or left on their own for one reason or another.
This is why I thought the Maquis weren't the best choice for the Second Crew to begin with, because there wasn't enough reason for there to be extended conflict between the Feds and Maquis. Especially since the main reason for their conflict (The DMZ and the Cardassians) was now 75 years away.

Using the Romulans, or even having a chunk of the crew now be DQ aliens they got at the Array, would've worked better.

Now, with Chakotay in particular, he had a lot of potential, but it was wasted. First off, he was from some unnamed generic native American tribe. They should have made him of a real tribe with real traditions. Instead, we got a mish mash of all kinds of tribes. When they made his tribe descended from aliens, it just cheapened his Native American heritage that much more.
Either they shouldn't have made him a Fleeter to begin with, or just dropped the whole "Native American" thing.

Second, I also agree he should have been more like a toned down Edington, and Janeway and Chakotay should have had a history of being enemies prior to being stranded.
I considered that, but I thought a nice dynamic would've been for her to be younger and for him to be more a mentor figure to her before she gets it together any becomes the respected Captain.

IE, when he joined the Maquis no one knew and no one had ever seen him so his reserve file was still active in Starfleet systems. When Janeway became Captain by default she didn't have the access codes that her rank allowed to access everything on Voyager, but Chakotay's old Reserve file rank did allow him to. So they'd work together because he'd be the first to realize they HAVE to cooperate.

The conflict would be them vs the Fleeters who don't think an unpromoted Janeway can handle being their leader and the Maquis who think Chak sold out.
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Old June 22 2013, 09:14 PM   #55
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Maybe it would make sense if this was all wok style cooking (though it's still extreme) but he has these fires up the sides of pots he's simply boiling stuff in. That's a good point that it might be from his ship, hadn't thought of that. I bet he would have had an argument on his hands when everyone else first saw that hazard.
Thing about Camping, I LOVE the smell of propane in the morning.

The Feds are not used to smelling their food cook.

The Maquis should be good with it though.

But from the stink of that gas burner, it should have been almost impossible for anyone from the core of the federation, raised on Replicators to have walked into that kitchen without vomiting.
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Old June 23 2013, 12:47 AM   #56
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"Oh this is really frontier space, you can smell your food cooking!"

It's illogical to boil a pot of liquid by shooting flames up the side. I think Neelix did it for the theater. He wants people to notice all this dramatic preparing of foods. Most of the time you don't see your food cooking, the kitchen of a starship or work cafeteria is safely tucked away for hygiene and safety purposes. But Neelix doesn't want people just retrieving sustenance like from replicators he wants them bedazzled by him providing for them so everything is visible and everything is fiery and exciting.

And I bet most of them are so far removed from non-replicator food prep that they haven't a clue that flames shooting up the side of boiling pots makes no sense at all.
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Old June 24 2013, 08:07 AM   #57
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Was that wok a virgin?
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Old June 24 2013, 09:50 AM   #58
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The theoretical wok that shooting flames would be allowed with?

No it was not a virgin, Neelix had been using it as a privy on his ship for years but it cleaned up nicely in the sonic shower.
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Was that wok a virgin?
Of course not, that's why it would wok so funny.
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Here is Chakotay being a badass:

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