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Old June 23 2013, 11:26 AM   #2386
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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Yeah most of these budgets are guesses anyway. It's a made up formula, using made up variables.
Do you think STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS can go back up the top movies listing to maybe 5 or 6 this weekend instead of 8 or below?
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Old June 23 2013, 01:12 PM   #2387
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Old June 23 2013, 02:34 PM   #2388
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Actually, just to clarify, despite my repeated suggestion that maybe you were interested in something else than what I was discussing (in response to a question from someone other than you in the first place), you said:
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You are creating a problem that doesn't exist.
As if I'm responsible for the complexities involved, or was even intending to address the issues you had in mind in the first place!
I'm not sure I follow you. You seemed confused as to what I wanted when I suggested going with tickets sold, so I corrected you. For some reason you insisted, so I counter-insisted. I don't care at all for how empty a single theatre want, since what I'd like to know is how many times the movie was seen in its theatrical run.
Clearly you don't follow. So there's a record of clarity, I'll recap, but this is getting tiresome.

In post #2346, you commented on what I said in post #2345, by saying, "Yeah but nation- or worldwide would average that out."

What you said there in post #2346 was not only conjectural and false (for the reason I stated in post #2365), but also, it warranted my saying so, because what I said in post #2345 was, in context, in response to a very particular question from another poster, whose question I even quoted in post #2345, that was asked in post #2340.

Post #2345 wasn't about what you were talking about at all. The question in post #2340 was whether tickets sold is "the best" measure of popularity. You already indicated you knew it wasn't perfect in post #2337, where you also made it clear what you wanted to know. I don't know how it could have been any clearer.

Everything so far between you and me after that point has been in this context. Just go back and reconsider post #2345. I really don't think I'm "confused as to what [you] wanted" as you say, since I wasn't even addressing you to begin with in post #2345!

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Old June 23 2013, 03:01 PM   #2389
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The idea that a movie's published production budget has anything to do with what that film cost in reality is simply just laughable.
The studios typically provide a budget figure to the media. That budget may or may not reflect reality. If anything the studios lowball. But the reported budget figure can be used to broadly establish how successful a film is and it can be used for purposes of figuring out whether a film has a shot at a sequel. If the worldwide gross isn't at least double the reported production budget then a direct sequel almost certainly isn't going to happen. I can only think of two films that got direct sequels despite grossing less than their reported production budgets, both Paramount releases: Star Trek: Insurrection and G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra, and the latter was made on a reduced budget and with significant cast changes.

An outside observer obviously doesn't know the granular details of any given movie's financial position, but there's enough coverage from journalists and financial analysts that the ecomomics of the movie industry aren't a complete mystery.
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Old June 23 2013, 03:35 PM   #2390
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Clearly you don't follow.
Yes it's clearly my fault for not understanding my own argument.

In post #2346, you commented on what I said in post #2345, by saying, "Yeah but nation- or worldwide would average that out."
Yeah, again because I want to know how many tickets were sold. I don't care about tickets not sold.

What you said there in post #2346 was not only conjectural and false (for the reason I stated in post #2365), but also, it warranted my saying so, because what I said in post #2345 was, in context, in response to a very particular question from another poster, whose question I even quoted in post #2345, that was asked in post #2340.
You can be bothered to check the post numbers but not quote them ? I'm not going back and make your case for you.

Post #2345 wasn't about what you were talking about at all.
Well I guess that makes the whole discussion between us pointless, then.
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Old June 23 2013, 04:02 PM   #2391
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OK, so let's move on.
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Old June 23 2013, 04:56 PM   #2392
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Ok... moving on...

How much will the movie make this weekend and next week?

It looks like it will get to 235 MM at the end of its run.

Am I right?
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Old June 23 2013, 05:01 PM   #2393
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Ok... moving on...

How much will the movie make this weekend and next week?

It looks like it will get to 235 MM at the end of its run.

Am I right?
The studio estimate for this weekend is $3 million, bringing the total so far to $216.6 million. $230-235 million looks like the end point.

The updated international gross is $213.4 million, putting the worldwide gross at just under $430 million. We could be looking at a final worldwide gross of about $470-480 million.
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Old June 23 2013, 06:46 PM   #2394
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Domestic: $216,611,000
+ Foreign: $213,400,000
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= Worldwide: $430,011,000
Source: Box Office Mojo

Adjusted top ST movies:

STID: $430.011 million
STTMP: $430 million
ST09: $408 million

Yeah, the top ST movie ever really underperformed...

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Old June 23 2013, 07:21 PM   #2395
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Yeah most of these budgets are guesses anyway. It's a made up formula, using made up variables.
And not taking into account studios "paying themselves" for renting soundstages, tax breaks...

That and you cannot tell me marketing and distribution of a film equals the budget of a film. That's plain stupid math.
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Old June 23 2013, 07:43 PM   #2396
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Domestic: $216,611,000
+ Foreign: $213,400,000
覧覧覧覧覧覧-
= Worldwide: $430,011,000
Source: Box Office Mojo

Adjusted top ST movies:

STID: $430.011 million
STTMP: $430 million
ST09: $408 million

Yeah, the top ST movie ever really underperformed...

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Old June 23 2013, 07:45 PM   #2397
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That and you cannot tell me marketing and distribution of a film equals the budget of a film. That's plain stupid math.
Steven Soderbergh has been talking a lot lately about the financial state of the industry and how it's impacting what gets made. Here's one of the things he said recently:

“[Studios] don’t look at the singles or the doubles as being worth the money or the man hours. Psychologically, it’s more comforting to spend $60m promoting a movie that costs 100, than it does to spend $60m for a movie that costs 10. I know what you’re thinking: If it costs 10 you’re going to be in profit sooner. Maybe not. Here’s why: Okay. $10m movie, 60m to promote it, that’s 70, so you’ve got to gross 140 to get out. Now you’ve got a $100m movie, you’re going spend 60 to promote it. You’ve got to get 320 to get out. How many $10m movies make 140 million dollars? Not many. How many $100m movies make 320? A pretty good number, and there’s this sort of domino effect that happens too. Bigger home video sales, bigger TV sales, so you can see the forces that are sort of draining in one direction in the business.”
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OK, so let's move on.
Fine with me. No hard feelings.
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Old June 24 2013, 02:12 PM   #2399
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I applaud the work of J. J. and the world attention he has brought to STID.
Pine, Quinto, Zoe, Pegg and Cumberbatch won the attention of many people because of their performance.
There will be more interested in Star Trek 3.
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Old June 24 2013, 03:48 PM   #2400
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Worldwide box office is at 430 million now.

International gross is only about three million shy of domestic, BTW. When do you think it'll pass it - this week, next week?
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