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Old June 23 2013, 02:42 AM   #736
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Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Really, saying the Kryptonians having had other colonies leaves too many "Yeah, but...." questions in place while also mudding the "Last Son of Krypton" thing. I more like the idea that Kryptonians couldn't leave Krypton either due too high of gravity for meaningful space travel to be possible (Kal's ship being the exception as it was launched as Krypton imploded thus didn't have to fight gravity as much) or it was a banned practice as Kryptonians knew how different types of solar radiation effected them and the implications that could have on other worlds.

Here it's like, "Yeah, we did it. But gave up. Everyone else out there? Who knows what happened to them? NBD."
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Old June 23 2013, 03:23 AM   #737
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Really, saying the Kryptonians having had other colonies leaves too many "Yeah, but...." questions in place while also mudding the "Last Son of Krypton" thing. I more like the idea that Kryptonians couldn't leave Krypton either due too high of gravity for meaningful space travel to be possible (Kal's ship being the exception as it was launched as Krypton imploded thus didn't have to fight gravity as much) or it was a banned practice as Kryptonians knew how different types of solar radiation effected them and the implications that could have on other worlds.

Here it's like, "Yeah, we did it. But gave up. Everyone else out there? Who knows what happened to them? NBD."
Kal's still the last son. The others, if they still exist stopped be Kryptonians when they set down roots on the colonies and lost contact with Krypton.
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Old June 23 2013, 03:25 AM   #738
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Here it's like, "Yeah, we did it. But gave up. "
Sounds like NASA.
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Old June 23 2013, 03:51 AM   #739
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Really, saying the Kryptonians having had other colonies leaves too many "Yeah, but...." questions in place while also mudding the "Last Son of Krypton" thing. I more like the idea that Kryptonians couldn't leave Krypton either due too high of gravity for meaningful space travel to be possible (Kal's ship being the exception as it was launched as Krypton imploded thus didn't have to fight gravity as much) or it was a banned practice as Kryptonians knew how different types of solar radiation effected them and the implications that could have on other worlds.

Here it's like, "Yeah, we did it. But gave up. Everyone else out there? Who knows what happened to them? NBD."
Yeah I admit that's one thing I'm still kinda iffy about. It's hard to imagine these Kryptonians being so advanced they can create giant "World Engines" and send fleets of scout ships to distant planets... and yet are somehow unable to survive and live independently once they get there.

I mean, we're not talking about 15th century Spanish explorers with limited technology here.
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Old June 23 2013, 04:22 AM   #740
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The idea is an interesting parallel to modern day. We essentially gutted NASA's budget to pay for social programs (most notably Cash for Clunkers). Society can decide that space travel just isn't very important anymore; it's happened to us.
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Old June 23 2013, 04:47 AM   #741
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Well, if we're going to do the list thing:

1. Spider-Man 2
1a. The Dark Knight
3. X2: X-Men United
4. Batman
5. Superman: The Movie
6. Spider-Man
7. Iron Man
8. Watchmen
9. The Avengers
10. Man of Steel
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Old June 23 2013, 07:03 AM   #742
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The idea is an interesting parallel to modern day. We essentially gutted NASA's budget to pay for social programs (most notably Cash for Clunkers).
LOL, NASA's budget has been terrible since the Nixon administration. Cash for Clunkers played absolutely no part in it's current state. In fact, CfC officially started in 2009 and as you can see here, NASA's budget actually rose marginally that year.
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Old June 23 2013, 07:10 AM   #743
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In the 1400s the ancient Chinese also turned back from long range ocean voyages for trade and exploration.
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Old June 23 2013, 07:11 AM   #744
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1. The music was lousy in that I don't remember one note of it. It was just additional noise for the most part and instantly forgettable from one moment to the next. The original '78 John Williams' theme so perfectly encapsulates the idea of Superman that it would be indeed hard to follow and recreate that feeling. MoS' music doesn't even try and is just disposable noise. It's little more than just another sound effect.
Personally, I didn't think it was that bad. The movie from the 3rd trailer (I think) was particularly anthemic. I'd recommend the track "What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World" from the soundtrack.
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Old June 23 2013, 10:01 AM   #745
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Really, saying the Kryptonians having had other colonies leaves too many "Yeah, but...." questions in place while also mudding the "Last Son of Krypton" thing. I more like the idea that Kryptonians couldn't leave Krypton either due too high of gravity for meaningful space travel to be possible (Kal's ship being the exception as it was launched as Krypton imploded thus didn't have to fight gravity as much) or it was a banned practice as Kryptonians knew how different types of solar radiation effected them and the implications that could have on other worlds.

Here it's like, "Yeah, we did it. But gave up. Everyone else out there? Who knows what happened to them? NBD."
They hinted at the reason both with the inclusion of the Phantom Zone prisoner/scientist Jax-Ur and by showing Krypton's destroyed moon Wegthor, which he blew up. That was what ultimately prompted the Kryptonians to give up space travel.
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Old June 23 2013, 11:33 AM   #746
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Quite a hard list to make as I'm a sucker for superhero flicks. I'd watch anything, even the likes of Ghost Rider, Jonah Hex and Judge Dredd
Oh, yeah.. Dredd should be on my list.
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Old June 23 2013, 11:38 AM   #747
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The one overriding thing the '78 film had was that "cool" moment when Superman first appears in Metropolis and saves Lois Lane. Today's f/x blows that away in terms of polish, but that decades old scene is still cool. That sense of awe seems missing in MoS despite the really nice visuals. Maybe as an audience we've simply become too jaded for that to work anymore or it's simply now a lot harder to get the gee-whiz feeling out of a scene.
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Old June 23 2013, 01:04 PM   #748
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Martha said he used to have terrible breathing problems as a baby, and then, as you mentioned, he had the same sudden, overwhelming appearance of his x-ray vision, super hearing, telepathy, and so forth.

Exactly so. This was made explicit in the movie.

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Old June 23 2013, 01:22 PM   #749
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I went in with an open mind... And came out with a crushed soul.

Calling it a piece of garbage would be too kind.

Fuck you, Nolan. You used to be beautiful, man! What happened?
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Old June 23 2013, 01:44 PM   #750
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Martha said he used to have terrible breathing problems as a baby, and then, as you mentioned, he had the same sudden, overwhelming appearance of his x-ray vision, super hearing, telepathy, and so forth.
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Martha said he used to have terrible breathing problems as a baby, and then, as you mentioned, he had the same sudden, overwhelming appearance of his x-ray vision, super hearing, telepathy, and so forth.
Okay, obviously I was mistaken about the telepathy. I thought there was a part at the school before he went in the closet where he was reading someone's unspoken thoughts about him, but it must have just been the super-hearing.

I blame that damn "Can you read my mind?" monologue from Superman.

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