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Old June 23 2013, 02:33 AM   #556
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness & The Bechdel Test

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It's a bit of a mix of themes from Firefly and Babylon 5, although it's early days to say where it might go if it's popular enough to continue.
"Babylon 5". Ick.
Babylon 5 is vastly superior to Star Trek. There's just a helluva lot more Star Trek out there so it becomes more interesting to talk about. I don't really get how anyone who likes Star Trek can see Babylon 5 as "ick" though.

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Carol isn't a girlfriend, yet.
But we all know that's why this character is here. JJ could have used anyone or no one from the Prime universe and he picked the mother of Kirk's son.
B5 is a flawed masterpiece - it could have been so much better if it hadn't been plagued by problems but it remains decent sci fi even if the humans' dialogue does sound awful sometimes.

Kirk resisted a relationship with Rand while hey were serving on the same ship. It might be interesting to see if NuKirk wrestles with that or just dives straight in. I didn't subscribe to the notion that Kirk had boned Chapel because if he had, I don't think he would have had no idea who she was.
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Old June 23 2013, 02:34 AM   #557
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It's a bit of a mix of themes from Firefly and Babylon 5, although it's early days to say where it might go if it's popular enough to continue.
"Babylon 5". Ick.
Babylon 5 is vastly superior to Star Trek. There's just a helluva lot more Star Trek out there so it becomes more interesting to talk about. I don't really get how anyone who likes Star Trek can see Babylon 5 as "ick" though.

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Carol isn't a girlfriend, yet.
But we all know that's why this character is here. JJ could have used anyone or no one from the Prime universe and he picked the mother of Kirk's son.
B5 is poorly written and over half the cast are mediocre to poor actors. JMS needed a script doctor and better casting directors.

Yeah, but they didn't drop that "bomb" right away. Points for restraint.
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Old June 23 2013, 02:39 AM   #558
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Kirk resisted a relationship with Rand while hey were serving on the same ship. It might be interesting to see if NuKirk wrestles with that or just dives straight in. I didn't subscribe to the notion that Kirk had boned Chapel because if he had, I don't think he would have had no idea who she was.
And do you think he knew those "Caitians" names months later?

The guy was a horndog.
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Old June 23 2013, 02:43 AM   #559
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Kirk resisted a relationship with Rand while hey were serving on the same ship. It might be interesting to see if NuKirk wrestles with that or just dives straight in. I didn't subscribe to the notion that Kirk had boned Chapel because if he had, I don't think he would have had no idea who she was.
And do you think he knew those "Caitians" names months later?

The guy was a horndog.
Kirk's a softy. Remember how dewy eyed he got seeing Ruth?
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I thought it was implied that Chapel was a brief romp, not a past romance, by how he didn't remember her. Yes he does remember past women he had romances with fondly. But I bet three months from the Caitian romp he would struggle to remember their names.

And then there was that awful deleted scene where he couldn't remember Gaila..
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Watched three episodes of Defiance and wanted to scoop my eyeballs out with a rusty spoon.
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Old June 23 2013, 02:53 AM   #562
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I thought it was implied that Chapel was a brief romp, not a past romance, by how he didn't remember her. Yes he does remember past women he had romances with fondly. But I bet three months from the Caitian romp he would struggle to remember their names.

And then there was that awful deleted scene where he couldn't remember Gaila..
I thought he mistook another woman for Gaila. (Yeah, I know, not much of an improvement.)
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Watched three episodes of Defiance and wanted to scoop my eyeballs out with a rusty spoon.

I enjoy it being chockers with aliens. Really haven't seen that in anything for a long time. Someone tell me anything recent with lots of real aliens in it (not monster of the week).
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Old June 23 2013, 02:55 AM   #564
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I thought it was implied that Chapel was a brief romp, not a past romance, by how he didn't remember her. Yes he does remember past women he had romances with fondly. But I bet three months from the Caitian romp he would struggle to remember their names.

And then there was that awful deleted scene where he couldn't remember Gaila..
I thought he mistook another woman for Gaila. (Yeah, I know, not much of an improvement.)
Yeah you're right. I think there could have been an implied "all Orions look alike" deal there which makes me even more happy it was deleted.
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Falling Skies has upped their ante to three aliens.
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:: makes a little note ::

DO they look alien? Or are they humans who are actually aliens?
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Old June 23 2013, 02:58 AM   #567
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DO they look alien? Or are they humans who are actually aliens?
IIRC, two of the three are CGI and one is an actor in heavy make up.
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Okay that is on my list already, perhaps I'll bump it up. Thanks.
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Haha! I just Googled and now realise that "Defiance" is a new SF TV series starring Aussie actor Grant Bowler. I saw his pic on posters all over Glasgow and Edinburgh when I was there in April. I assumed it was an ad for a new video game?
It's both, actually. Some kind of experiment they're running by having the video game run in parallel to the TV show like a multimedia MMORPG. I've been keeping silent on it so far because I think the video game sucks and the show sucks even harder but it's acquired a surprisingly large following in a short time; the last time this happened was Stargate SG-1, and I am in no mood right now to be drawn into another lengthy rhetorical battle with people who don't know the difference between science fiction and war porn with soap opera subplots (e.g. Stargate Atlantis).

I've forced myself through three episodes of Defiant so far; I'm done. Been burned one too many times by one too many overzealous recommendations to watch any more. Could be that I'm jaded, or it could be that I'm cynical, but by the midpoint of a Defiance episode I feel as if I'm pretending to be stupider than I am just to keep from changing the channel.
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I have (of course) collected pics of all male nudity in Star Trek.

And on and on.. something is definitely missing from these shots.

Look how much T'Pol is shown, we never see this much male EVER:
Yes the men never go the full monty or there's some strategically placed towel, computer etc.

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Why don't we see Kirk on display in a thong or why wasn't Decker walking around in miniscule nightwear?
Decker? Well, we did get to see the outline of his Decker Unit in one scene.


That was too much for even me I'm afraid.

I just look straight into Decker's eyes, frankly at everyone's eyes in TMP (except maybe a peek at Spock)
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