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Old June 22 2013, 06:23 PM   #496
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^ In an era where sensors can pick up life signs without visual, would camouflage really have any meaning?

Any kind of camo that is designed to defeat sensors wouldn't have anything to do with color.
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Old June 22 2013, 06:32 PM   #497
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Yes, but camo would still be useful in places where sensors aren't available or there's line-of-sight enemies. I imagine Starfleet would simply have people prepared for those sorts of operations.

My personal theory for the "Starfleet isn't a military organization" boils down to Starfleet has defense as part of its mandate but things are so peaceful than it's about 30% of what they do versus diplomacy and science. The early TNG period being one where defense was REALLY considered bottom of the barrel work.
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Old June 22 2013, 06:39 PM   #498
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My personal theory for the "Starfleet isn't a military organization" boils down to Starfleet has defense as part of its mandate but things are so peaceful than it's about 30% of what they do versus diplomacy and science. The early TNG period being one where defense was REALLY considered bottom of the barrel work.
In that section of the Federation, if we take The Wounded and Christopher's own The Buried Age into account.
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Old June 22 2013, 06:42 PM   #499
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In that section of the Federation, if we take The Wounded and Christopher's own The Buried Age into account.
About 60% of why I'm in these forums is the Novelverse is so huge, it's nice to have moments like this where I get something talked about which intrigues me--so I know where to go next.

Thanks.
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Old June 22 2013, 10:45 PM   #500
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Christopher, I like to contribute to Memory Beta, and i made some insignia representations based on your uniform designes. Would you allow me to add them to Memory Beta database?
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Old June 22 2013, 11:09 PM   #501
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^Don't see why not.
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Old June 23 2013, 01:32 AM   #502
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Not sure how I feel about the MACOS becoming Starfleet Security (I'm still sticking with a 'Starfleet Marine Corps' idea - I've always viewed Security as exclusively shipbound security guards, not front line troops) but otherwise, it's great.
Well, we've always been shown the same security personnel handling groundside and shipside matters, so that's what I aimed toward. And I wanted to have some tie back to elements of ENT, and to keep Kimura around as part of the crew.
I still just see the redshirts of TOS as security guards, nothing more. A security guard is not the same thing as a soldier or marine. Expecting the redshirts - or, in this time frame, the 'grayshirts' - to also be troops would be like taking a guard from a bank vault and sending him to Afghanistan.
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I still just see the redshirts of TOS as security guards, nothing more. A security guard is not the same thing as a soldier or marine. Expecting the redshirts - or, in this time frame, the 'grayshirts' - to also be troops would be like taking a guard from a bank vault and sending him to Afghanistan.
Not really the same thing at all. They may be "just security," whatever that means, but they are still Starfleet Officers and trained soldiers. It would be like saying that just because a Naval Officer works primarily as a security officer that they are the equivalent to a bank guard, which is insulting and wrong.
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Old June 23 2013, 02:47 AM   #504
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^Eliyahu's right. I don't agree that it's an insult to say that someone isn't in the military, but it's certainly inaccurate to compare trained naval personnel specializing in security to civilians employed in the security profession.

Besides, we've got nearly 50 years of canon confirming that Starfleet's ship crews do handle all the Federation's military needs when they need to. The closest thing we've ever seen to a separate military force are the differently-uniformed ground troops in DS9's "Nor the Battle to the Strong," but their colors and pips matched those of Starfleet, suggesting they were just specialized uniforms for that particular assignment.
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Old June 23 2013, 04:06 AM   #505
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Just saw the sketch Christopher and absolutely love it. Rise of the Federation continues to remain my most anticipated Trek book of the year, so I can't wait for next week.
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I got mine preordered so looking forward to it.
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Old June 23 2013, 04:35 AM   #507
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Amazon Canada already has stock in...so looks like I'll be getting it early.
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Old June 23 2013, 06:22 AM   #508
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But, I think if there were such forces, wouldn't they be more properly called the United Federation Marine Corps (UFMC)? Calling them the Starfleet Marines would be like calling the current day USMC the Navy Marine Corps.
I just think that the phrase 'Starfleet Marine Corps' sounds better, that's all. It may not be applicable in today's military but within the context of Starfleet, I think the phrase sounds better. And it would fit with Kirk's comment that Starfleet is a combined service.

As for uniforms, my supposition is that the SFMC of the TOS era wears a black uniform. Same design we're familiar with, just in black. Don't you think that would look cool?
Haven't there been references to the Starfleet Marines in either screen productions or novels? I swear I've heard that term used in universe somewhere.
As for the uniforms, do you mean something along the lines of the undershirt from the Abramsverse? I could see that working myself.
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Old June 23 2013, 08:41 AM   #509
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Here it is Christopher, I hope you like it:

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Old June 23 2013, 08:53 AM   #510
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Any ideas about higher ranks - Commodore and various grades of Admiral ?
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