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Old June 21 2013, 12:48 AM   #16
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JD, I still haven't watched anything aside from the two latest movies... But I think I'd rather read the books in order to build fresh pictures in my mind - I admit I'm a little afraid of the "old" looks of the technologies and characters in the original movies and series...
I don't know that there's a correct order to the novels. Some of them are numbered, but the numbers don't accurately reflect when they happen in time. I would recommend picking out a few novels that interest you and going from there.

If you're worried about understanding the technology of TOS, it might be easier to start with something like Star Trek Constellations. This book isn't one story but several short stories together. Each story features one or two of the characters, so you should be able to get a sense of their personalities and tendencies from them.

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Old June 21 2013, 12:55 AM   #17
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Yeah, unless they're specifically labeled as a miniseries, the TOS books are almost all stand alone stories that tend to jump around in the timeline.
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Old June 21 2013, 01:15 AM   #18
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Believe it or not, a new Star Trek novel is published every month. Back in the nineties, they were publishing at least two books a month, but things have slowed down a little since then!

I'm guessing there must six or seven hundred books by now . . ..
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Old June 21 2013, 04:27 AM   #19
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Hum yeah I knew about those ones... But I'm more interested in the original novels! Aren't there any involving Kirk, Spock and Cie?
You might want to check out the novels based on the "Enterprise" TV series, since Enterprise takes place before the two universes split. Personally I find that "Enterprise" works better with the 2009 and 2013 movies than it does with "Star Trek" (1960's series), The Animated Series, The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager.
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Old June 21 2013, 01:10 PM   #20
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I think a good novel might be Inception. It has Kirk and Spock in their younger days and even has Carol Marcus. Of any TOS book I can think of it might have the most 'Abrahmsverse' vibe.
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Old June 21 2013, 05:31 PM   #21
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Lemurette - Star Trek on TV was a huge phenomenon that lost popularity over its last decade, but there is still a hard core of fans supporting the novels. Since the TV shows were cancelled the novels have got rather more engrossing as the authors can take the show in new directions and effect real change.

And we have some VERY good authors. Two of them have already responded to you.

I would suggest that your familiarity with the revitalised original crew of Kirk, Spock and co. would make the 'The Original Series' novels a good starting point. Just dive in - there is a lot less continuity to worry about with TOS novels. You could do a lot worse than picking up Greg's latest 'The Weight Of Worlds'.

You've got a lot of pleasure to look forward to with the later shows too - The Next Generation is fantastic, Deep Space 9 is my personal choice, Voyager although not my favourite show has some superb recent novels by Kirsten Beyer, and Christopher (see above) is about to present us with his hugely anticipated relaunch of the prequel series Enterprise - Rise of the Federation.

Feel free to ask questions - most of us fans are pretty friendly, and how often do you get to converse with the authors you are reading ? That's a bit special !
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Old June 21 2013, 05:36 PM   #22
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I would suggest that your familiarity with the revitalised original crew of Kirk, Spock and co. would make the 'The Original Series' novels a good starting point. Just dive in - there is a lot less continuity to worry about with TOS novels. You could do a lot worse than picking up Greg's latest 'The Weight Of Worlds'.
Thanks for the kind words. In all modesty, I do like to think that THE WEIGHT OF WORLDS would be fairly accessible to a self-described "newbie." It's a largely standalone adventure focusing on Kirk, Spock, Sulu, and Uhura.
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Old June 21 2013, 05:45 PM   #23
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I have several dozen Trek books, stored up in the loft. From memory like with everything there where some good some not so bad, and some bad ones. Was there a particular type of adventure you where interested in, Action, suspense, comedy etc... It might help us to suggest some to you.
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Old June 21 2013, 06:22 PM   #24
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I would suggest that your familiarity with the revitalised original crew of Kirk, Spock and co. would make the 'The Original Series' novels a good starting point. Just dive in - there is a lot less continuity to worry about with TOS novels. You could do a lot worse than picking up Greg's latest 'The Weight Of Worlds'.
Thanks for the kind words. In all modesty, I do like to think that THE WEIGHT OF WORLDS would be fairly accessible to a self-described "newbie." It's a largely standalone adventure focusing on Kirk, Spock, Sulu, and Uhura.
Credit where its due - I prefer other eras (even for Kirk and Co.) but your novels are always enjoyable.
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Old June 21 2013, 08:45 PM   #25
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I had no idea I was casually chating with big names of the Star Trek Literature! I agree with you Relayer1, this is pretty uncommon...
I checked Christopher & Greg's bibliographies; they're quite impressive indeed
I'll be following those advices all the more trustily, actually I just ordered a half dozen TOS books, among which 'The weight of worlds' - I'll soon see if I side with you about Greg being a VERY good author ;> (kidding)

In any case, thanks everybody for the advices and precise explanations!
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Old June 21 2013, 09:14 PM   #26
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Thanks Relayer, Lemurette! I appreciate the support.

And, just to tease, can I mention that I've already delivered my next TOS novel to Pocket Books? (I'm waiting for CBS's comments on the book now.)
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Old June 21 2013, 10:54 PM   #27
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Old June 22 2013, 08:03 AM   #28
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Lemurette,

A small list of recommendations for you along with an explanation as to why,

Spock's World - In your earliest posts you mention a specific interest in novels focusing on Kirk and Spock if my recollection is correct. Spock's World is one of the best Vulcan centered novels ever, and it dovetails nicely with the idea presented in the movies you've seen, that Vulcan's have emotions, very strong emotions, which they manage very carefully.

Best Destiny - While I have not heard any confirmation of this theory, given that this novel involves a troubled headstrong young man named Jim Kirk, I would not be surprised in the least to learn that it was an influence on the way that Nu-Kirk was written.

Ex-Machina - You will already have encountered the title when you looked up Mr. Bennett's bibliography. I can tell you that it was one of the novels that the creators of Nu-Trek looked at to inform their portrayal of the characters (this was confirmed by Mr. Bennett in another thread) and I can tell you that it stands in my collection right next to Spock's World as one of the best in depth looks at both Spock and the Vulcan people ever.

Doctor's Orders - Another novel from the author of Spock's World. To put it simply, Kirk gets tired of McCoy's bitching and moaning and decides to give him a taste of command. It being Trek, needless to say unexpected circumstances develop.

Anyway, the above list is needless to say not exhaustive, but I hope it will give you a place to start. Ultimately wherever your literary wanderings take you, you are in for some fun times. Given how interconnected Trek is I hope you will in time explore the wider range available.

After all it ranges from decades before TOS (and Nu-Trek) with Enterprise and novels bridging the gap between it and TOS, to decades afterwards with The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager.

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Old June 22 2013, 02:05 PM   #29
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Ex-Machina - You will already have encountered the title when you looked up Mr. Bennett's bibliography. I can tell you that it was one of the novels that the creators of Nu-Trek looked at to inform their portrayal of the characters (this was confirmed by Mr. Bennett in another thread)
Well, we don't really know that. All we know is that screenwriters Alex Kurtzman & Roberto Orci listed it along with Best Destiny, Prime Directive, and Spock's World among their favorite Trek novels:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/uncat...e-trek-novels/

They never specifically said that they used those books as influences on their script, just that they liked them.
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Old June 23 2013, 06:36 PM   #30
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One possible approach you might take is to look into elements that you particularly liked from the Abrams movies. Keeping in mind that the novels show a possible version of the characters and situations, of course.

If you are interested in understanding a version of the history of the ship itself, Diane Carey's book The Final Frontier gives a story of what her maiden voyage was like, as she was originally in service long before Jim Kirk even entered Starfleet. And for a possible version of the TOS character's first adventure assembled together on the Enterprise there's Vonda McCintyre's Enterprise The First Voyage.

If you're interested in Spock and Vulcans, perhaps Spock's World and Vulcan Academy Murders.

The writers of the Abrams movies took inspiration from some of the novels, myself and someone else already mentioned Spock's World; and Best Destiny shows Kirk as someone speeding for a life of crime, with his father figure (his actual dad, George Kirk, briefly seen in the first Abrams movie) guiding him to a life were he realizes he could fulfill his potential better. This might make the experience of the Abrams movie more satisfying as you come back to them and watch Christopher Pike become a the father figure that Kirk needed to help guide him.

Judith and Garfield Reeve-Steven's novel, Prime Directive, was also cited as inspiration for the writing of the Abrams movies, and I thought for a time, based on the teaser synopsis and trailers for ST Into Darkness that the new movie was going to echo Prime Directives storyline. At the end of the day, Prime Directive demonstrates how serious an issue the Prime Directive can be, and what sort of trouble a starship captain can bring down on themselves if they play too fast and loose with it.

I get the impression ST Into Darkness took strong inspiration from elements of the novel Dreadnaught!, particularly note how the Vengence is identified as a Dreadnaught-class starship. You could look at the book as an explanation for how the Dreadnaught-class starship development program played out the first time for Starfleet and the Federation.

There's a novel called Kobayashi Maru, which you could take as a version of how Kirk beat the test in the original version of ST.

If you're interested in Khan, you can always give Greg Cox's Eugenics Wars books a try, for a possible explanation of where the character is coming from.

There are a number of comics that tell different versions of the stories as well.

And of course, if you can give details on what aspects of the new movies you liked in particular, there are plenty of posters on here who can guide you to books that will at least offer a version of how those details and elements are fleshed out in the original version of TOS's unfolding narrative.

Hope that helps.
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