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Old June 21 2013, 09:06 PM   #61
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Re: Anti-Borg technology and tactics

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I'm waiting for yours, then...
The borg encounterd 8472 about that time.
Seeing as that went bad fast Im wondering if the Borg did'nt send the sphere back in time to take modern borg tec along with modern fed tec back in time to give the borg a big boost so when they eventualy encounted 8472 they would be 300 more advanced.
I'll take "WTF?" for 300, Alex.
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Old June 21 2013, 09:11 PM   #62
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I'm waiting for yours, then...
The borg encounterd 8472 about that time.
Seeing as that went bad fast Im wondering if the Borg did'nt send the sphere back in time to take modern borg tec along with modern fed tec back in time to give the borg a big boost so when they eventualy encounted 8472 they would be 300 more advanced.
I'll take "WTF?" for 300, Alex.
I dont get you?
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Old June 21 2013, 09:12 PM   #63
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Re: Anti-Borg technology and tactics

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The borg encounterd 8472 about that time.
Seeing as that went bad fast Im wondering if the Borg did'nt send the sphere back in time to take modern borg tec along with modern fed tec back in time to give the borg a big boost so when they eventualy encounted 8472 they would be 300 more advanced.
I'll take "WTF?" for 300, Alex.
I dont get you?
Me too. Now we have our own little group. :P
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Old June 21 2013, 09:20 PM   #64
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I'll take "WTF?" for 300, Alex.
I dont get you?
Me too. Now we have our own little group. :P


Ok it my explination for why the Borg did there time travel thing in FC.

The Cube was sent to the Federation on a half arsed attempt to assimilate the feds as useal.

But on the way to earth the war with 8472 in the delta quadrant went sour. So the Cube on the way to earth was ordered to assimialte anything of use that starfleet had then loaded with the latest borg goodies send a sphere back in time.

300 years in the past the sphere would assimilate earth just cause it can (may as well take the feds out before they start, plus they already have assimilated there latest stuff before they went back in time) and then make contact with the past borg (especialy as that was one of there goals when assimilating the Ent E). Once they made contact with the past borg they could transfer all the lasted stuff to them resulting in a borg ending up 300 more advanced than they should be. With that knowlage they could be better prepared for when they pick a fight with 8472 or just stay the hell away from fluidic space all together.

The reason the borg didnt try again was most liley voyager came along shortly after and offerd a far safer option than messing anout with time.

That would explain why the borg do not use time travel as standard practice. They know it is dangrous to screw with the past and its only used as a very last resort. Like when they encounter a speices that have single ships that can blow 15 cubes up in one go and cant be assimilated or adapted to.

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Old June 21 2013, 09:22 PM   #65
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Saavik, even after being told about the protomatter, declared she had no knowledge of the Genesis torpedo Kruge wanted. Since Vulcans don't lie, that was it.
That would have been after Saavik learned from Spock that Vulcans do lie, though. So it's probably a deadpan lie.

The rest of it was in the computer Khan stole and was destroyed.
Would this really be realistic, though? The team was in contact with the rest of the universe - it could even commandeer the services of a big starship. Why shouldn't they be sending at least monthly reports on their progress to their superiors? Of the "here's how Genesis looks today, component by component, line by line" sort, rather than the "here's how we're keeping our schedule" sort, that is.

Just because Spock and McCoy don't know about it doesn't mean a thousand others in and out Starfleet wouldn't, too.

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Old June 21 2013, 09:25 PM   #66
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Saavik, even after being told about the protomatter, declared she had no knowledge of the Genesis torpedo Kruge wanted. Since Vulcans don't lie, that was it.
That would have been after Saavik learned from Spock that Vulcans do lie, though. So it's probably a deadpan lie.

The rest of it was in the computer Khan stole and was destroyed.
Would this really be realistic, though? The team was in contact with the rest of the universe - it could even commandeer the services of a big starship. Why shouldn't they be sending at least monthly reports on their progress to their superiors? Of the "here's how Genesis looks today, component by component, line by line" sort, rather than the "here's how we're keeping our schedule" sort, that is.

Just because Spock and McCoy don't know about it doesn't mean a thousand others in and out Starfleet wouldn't, too.

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Exactly my thoughts.
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Old June 21 2013, 09:39 PM   #67
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Re: Anti-Borg technology and tactics

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I dont get you?
Me too. Now we have our own little group. :P


Ok it my explination for why the Borg did there time travel thing in FC ...
I'm what some would call old--a couple of years shy of the senior discount at the early bird special. I appreciate spelling, grammar, and punctuation.

I finally understood your meaning after a couple of readings.
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Old June 21 2013, 09:49 PM   #68
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Me too. Now we have our own little group. :P


Ok it my explination for why the Borg did there time travel thing in FC ...
I'm what some would call old--a couple of years shy of the senior discount at the early bird special. I appreciate spelling, grammar, and punctuation.

I finally understood your meaning after a couple of readings.
O good greif I spelt explanation wrong someone call the police.

I got a few A, I and E wrong the wrong way due to dyslexia.

I hardly typed 1ike t}{1S.

Anyway its going OFF topic.
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Old June 21 2013, 09:51 PM   #69
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Re: Anti-Borg technology and tactics

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Ok it my explination for why the Borg did there time travel thing in FC ...
I'm what some would call old--a couple of years shy of the senior discount at the early bird special. I appreciate spelling, grammar, and punctuation.

I finally understood your meaning after a couple of readings.
O good greif I spelt explanation wrong someone call the police.

I got a few A, I and E wrong the wrong way due to dyslexia.

I hardly typed 1ike t}{1S.

Anyway its going OFF topic.
Ok ... well, nice talking to ya.
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Old June 21 2013, 10:01 PM   #70
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Re: Anti-Borg technology and tactics

Carcazoid wrote: View Post
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I'm what some would call old--a couple of years shy of the senior discount at the early bird special. I appreciate spelling, grammar, and punctuation.

I finally understood your meaning after a couple of readings.
O good greif I spelt explanation wrong someone call the police.

I got a few A, I and E wrong the wrong way due to dyslexia.

I hardly typed 1ike t}{1S.

Anyway its going OFF topic.
Ok ... well, nice talking to ya.


My apologies i did not mean to be rude. Im just touchy when it comes to my dyslexia....its frustrating for me more than anyone.
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Old June 22 2013, 03:08 AM   #71
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Re: Anti-Borg technology and tactics

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Saavik, even after being told about the protomatter, declared she had no knowledge of the Genesis torpedo Kruge wanted. Since Vulcans don't lie, that was it.
That would have been after Saavik learned from Spock that Vulcans do lie, though. So it's probably a deadpan lie.

The rest of it was in the computer Khan stole and was destroyed.
Would this really be realistic, though? The team was in contact with the rest of the universe - it could even commandeer the services of a big starship. Why shouldn't they be sending at least monthly reports on their progress to their superiors? Of the "here's how Genesis looks today, component by component, line by line" sort, rather than the "here's how we're keeping our schedule" sort, that is.

Just because Spock and McCoy don't know about it doesn't mean a thousand others in and out Starfleet wouldn't, too.

Timo Saloniemi
Exactly my thoughts.
Also, if they still had Genesis they could have shot one on Praxis instead of discussing a 10-year plan of rescue and evacuation of the Klingon planet, which supposedly is inevitably doomed.
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Old June 22 2013, 02:43 PM   #72
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Re: Anti-Borg technology and tactics

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I'm waiting for yours, then...
I don't have one and I don't care. I don't have a need to explain or tie together everything that happens in a dozen different incarnations of Trek. I understand it may be fun for some folks, and that's fine, but I don't. But I was more reacting to mention of that ridiculous TCM crap that B&B pulled out of their butts and dropped like a hot tribble, and groaning over the idea that some writer tried to tie it together with the Borg on a strategic level. That, my friend, is facepalm-worthy. To me. YMMV, of course.
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Old June 22 2013, 05:29 PM   #73
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Re: Anti-Borg technology and tactics

To be fair, in the novel in question it's presented as speculation rather than fact.

Kind of like how folks here like to speculate on why certain things happen in the Trekverse.
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Old June 22 2013, 05:35 PM   #74
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Also, if they still had Genesis they could have shot one on Praxis instead of discussing a 10-year plan of rescue and evacuation of the Klingon planet, which supposedly is inevitably doomed.

But that was not life or death. There was other options. Ones much more benificial to the federation, plus the klingons held a dim view of Genesis. If the Feds used one it might re ignite the fear the federation would use it as a WMD against them.

With the borg the situation is diffrent. Lossing means death for all be it Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian or Breen! Anything to stop the borg should be on the table.
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Old June 22 2013, 07:49 PM   #75
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I'd love to see what Genesis would do to Praxis, though. Would it still be, umm, crescent-shaped, only now all green and blue?

I take it the idea would be that Klingons would abandon Qo'noS and move their gear to the reformed Praxis. Even if Genesis were able to create stable, livable planets (which it can't do AFAWK), Praxis would probably be pretty small for the needs of the Klingons...

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