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Old June 18 2013, 12:13 PM   #16
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^It isn't. It doesn't show up 'til season 2.
Where are the transcripts available? I'd love to take a look.

I thought I had remembered this back into season one, but if you have checked the transcripts, I must be mistaken. Either that, or they used some variation of the phrase.

The reason why I might notice it more than others is because it is somewhat of a pet peeve of mine. It is like a writer's crutch...the story can't tell itself so you have to have some character reframe the central conflict verbally so the audience knows what is going on. What makes it worse is that usually, it was CLEAR what was going on and it wasn't necessary to spoon feed the audience.

The question is, whether a variation of this phrase was in Season 1.
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Old June 18 2013, 01:53 PM   #17
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Here you go...

http://www.chakoteya.net/Voyager/episode_listing.htm

And I have found errors here and there in the past, so apologies if you were right and they were wrong in regards to season 1.

EDIT: Mea culpa! It is in season 1! ...Faces.
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Old June 18 2013, 02:36 PM   #18
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My God. Now I will not not be able to hear it. Now I have this stuck with me along with Riker's weird-ass way of sitting down too.
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Old June 18 2013, 02:49 PM   #19
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My God. Now I will not not be able to hear it. Now I have this stuck with me along with Riker's weird-ass way of sitting down too.
What way is that? I remember him always putting his foot on Data's console while leaning forward over the latter's chair. It made me really uncomfortable.

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Old June 22 2013, 02:04 AM   #20
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I think the directors sometimes had troubles framing shots with Riker in them. Jonathan Frakes is actually a pretty big guy, and especially with Patrick Stewart being (comparitively) small, they sometimes had to get creative just to fit him into a shot with another actor.

Riker's characteristic "I thrust my pelvis into Data's face" leaning pose on the Ops console is one by-product of this.
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Old June 22 2013, 02:09 AM   #21
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I think the directors sometimes had troubles framing shots with Riker in them. Jonathan Frakes is actually a pretty big guy, and especially with Patrick Stewart being (comparitively) small, they sometimes had to get creative just to fit him into a shot with another actor.

Riker's characteristic "I thrust my pelvis into Data's face" leaning pose on the Ops console is one by-product of this.
That's a good point. I just wish they'd found another way to do it.

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Old June 22 2013, 02:11 AM   #22
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Sran, this is for you:

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Old June 22 2013, 02:13 AM   #23
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I've never noticed that. I guess I will have to do another re-watch.
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Old June 22 2013, 02:14 AM   #24
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^Make it stop! Make it stop!

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Old June 22 2013, 04:27 AM   #25
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I had noticed Frakes doing "the Riker chair maneuver" before, especially when he does it in the ready room. But I'd never noticed it was so widespread, and that he was still doing it in season seven!
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Old June 22 2013, 11:32 AM   #26
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All the lurching and leaning can be explained by Frakes's height and back problems. But the chair as a pony.. didn't anyone notice how retarded this looks?
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Old June 22 2013, 02:02 PM   #27
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It's something 8 year old boys do.
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Old June 22 2013, 02:06 PM   #28
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And totally in character for Will Riker.
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Old June 22 2013, 02:07 PM   #29
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I've never seen anyone do it but Riker
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Old June 22 2013, 02:45 PM   #30
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IIRC the first two times that he does it in the ready room -- after he's been given the Q powers in "Hide & Q", and when he's being questioned by Remmick in "Coming Of Age" -- you could argue he's being arrogant and aloof. In the former instance he's just being a dick and trying to show Picard who's the boss, and in the latter instance he might just be trying showing his disrespect for Commander Remmick.

But after that? Well, he's still Will Riker. So chances are pretty good that he's just generally being an asshole.
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