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Old June 21 2013, 04:50 PM   #31
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Re: Size of starfleet?

In DS9 there seems to be around 5 ships around in the Area of DS9 (prewar) being a day or so away from it at most. Also in redemption they seemed to be able to assemble 5 ships at pretty short notice.

I thing that it be quite reasoble to assume that you could see a denisity on the borders of around 5 starships per 10 light years square.

Inside the fedeartion that would most likely drop 1-2 per 20 light years.

And also out side the federation you would find ships out on there own with backup much further away.

This does not include Auxillary ships though.


As far as those 5 ships go Im guessing and this is pure speculation! That you would find 1 battleship like ships a Galaxly/Nebula/Ambassador/Sovereign, 2 Crusiers either a Excelsior/Cheyenne/Niagra/Akira/Steamrunner/Norway. And 2 Frigates like Mirandas/Sabre/Freedom/Constellation/Defiant. This wing would be commanded by a Rear Admiral or/and a comadore/senoir captain.

Though Im sure the composition would change depending in the area and situtaion and that they would be brought together to form larger fleets when needed.

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Old June 21 2013, 05:12 PM   #32
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Re: Size of starfleet?

The size of Starfleet could vary somewhat. With a large number of inactive reserve ships to call upon if needed. We know there is a reserve activation clause for personnel so they can recall people back to man the ships.
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Old June 21 2013, 05:15 PM   #33
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The size of Starfleet could vary somewhat. With a large number of inactive reserve ships to call upon if needed. We know there is a reserve activation clause for personnel so they can recall people back to man the ships.

Well it is stated in undiscoverd country that ships and stations can be moth balled.


So the borders could be like I said above have a very low denisty of ships but in extrem circumstances mothballed ships can be reactivated and brought in to increase the number of ships. So that wing of 5 ships could go to 10.
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Old June 21 2013, 06:55 PM   #34
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it depends by federation size and ships purpose.

Am i the only one who think that to have only one register code (NCC) for all the ship, indipendently by their purpose, is silly?
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Old June 21 2013, 06:59 PM   #35
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Haven't we seen none Starfleet vessels with different registries? It might that during wartime the Federation can call upon these and covert them to military service.
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Old June 21 2013, 08:12 PM   #36
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Re: Size of starfleet?

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Regarding smaller ships not being considered "ships", I think DS9 reliably resolved that conundrum via the runabouts. And there are just as small ships in the real world that are still designated as fully commissioned naval vessels (though this is rare in larger navies). However, given the established role (or rather, multirole capabilities) of the Danube class, they may very well be exceptions for ships that small.

Additionally, the Nash (DS9) establishes that something as simple as a transport can still be a fully commissioned starship.
The definition of a starship changed somewhat between TOS and TNG, where it was earlier referred to as a special type of vessel (separate from cruisers and freighters), to it ultimately becoming a more generic term for any long-range vessel.

Even so, I think there are vehicles in Starfleet's inventory that do not classify as "starships," but rather as "craft" due to being small and/or having a very limited operational range.
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Old June 21 2013, 09:34 PM   #37
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Well it is stated in undiscoverd country that ships and stations can be moth balled.
And it took Starfleet 20 years before they built a new Enterprise after the Enterprise-C was destroyed, but only a few years between Ent-D and Ent-E. So I would think the political environment (a treaty with the Klingons) would have a big effect on on what kind of ships and how many were built. The Borg became a big enough threat that they created the Defiant and Sovereign classes to combat them. A threat that didn't exist 20 years prior. The Romulans were missing for years. The Enterprise-D was built for deep space exploration, not long, drawn out battles.
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Old June 21 2013, 09:44 PM   #38
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Well it is stated in undiscoverd country that ships and stations can be moth balled.
And it took Starfleet 20 years before they built a new Enterprise after the Enterprise-C was destroyed. So I would think the political environment (a treaty with the Klingons) would have a big effect on on what kind of ships and how many were built.
Well duering that time the war with the Tskanthi and Cardasians broke out.

So rather than build a fancy new Galaxy Class they may have concentrated on ships for those wars with the Galaxy class project put as low priority.
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Old June 21 2013, 09:48 PM   #39
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A 20-year wait in launching a new Enterprise is in no way an indication of any waiting in shipbuilding. Enterprise is just a name - it may or may not be slapped onto a starship. When the E-B was lost, a modern successor was probably launched immediately; it just didn't happen to be named Enterprise.

Really, there's nothing to indicate that the E-C was a successor of the E-B; that the E-D was a successor of the E-C; or that the E-E was a successor of the E-D. Ambassadors did not go out of service when Galaxies were introduced; Galaxies didn't necessarily even go out of production when Sovereigns were introduced; and there's nothing to indicate that an Enterprise with a higher suffix letter would have inherited the mission of the preceding Enterprise.

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Old June 21 2013, 10:23 PM   #40
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Well it is stated in undiscoverd country that ships and stations can be moth balled.
And it took Starfleet 20 years before they built a new Enterprise after the Enterprise-C was destroyed, but only a few years between Ent-D and Ent-E.
It's likely closer to just one year. The Enterprise-D was presumably destroyed in 2371 and the Enterprise-E was launched in 2372 (which would validate LaForge's comment in First Contact that the ship had been in service for nearly a year already).

As far as the long period of time between the Enterprise-C and the Enterprise-D, that could be a result of Starfleet wanting to honor the loss of that ship and its crew for awhile before launching her successor (even so, Starfleet may have announced early on that the Enterprise name would eventually continue with a new ship of the then only proposed Galaxy-class).
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Old June 22 2013, 01:24 AM   #41
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Re: Size of starfleet?

I get the feeling that Starfleet has a small peacetime fleet, but has a large mothball fleet they can pull from during emergencies.

During peacetime it wouldn't surprise me if the active number of total ships is in the 2,000-3,000 range, but when the mothball fleet is activated for a war or other emergency they can have up to 2,000 additional ships.

Anything less seems unrealistic as does anything more.
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Old June 22 2013, 01:38 AM   #42
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Re: Size of starfleet?

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As far as the long period of time between the Enterprise-C and the Enterprise-D, that could be a result of Starfleet wanting to honor the loss of that ship and its crew for awhile before launching her successor (even so, Starfleet may have announced early on that the Enterprise name would eventually continue with a new ship of the then only proposed Galaxy-class).
IIRC, that is the reason why there was such a huge gap between ships. And with the Galaxy-class on the way, why not make the Enterprise one of Starfleet's bigger and badder vessels?

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Old June 22 2013, 02:08 AM   #43
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Sran wrote: View Post
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As far as the long period of time between the Enterprise-C and the Enterprise-D, that could be a result of Starfleet wanting to honor the loss of that ship and its crew for awhile before launching her successor (even so, Starfleet may have announced early on that the Enterprise name would eventually continue with a new ship of the then only proposed Galaxy-class).
IIRC, that is the reason why there was such a huge gap between ships. And with the Galaxy-class on the way, why not make the Enterprise one of Starfleet's bigger and badder vessels?

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Old June 22 2013, 05:25 AM   #44
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Re: Size of starfleet?

Space might be vast, but HABITABLE planets are few and far in between said space. So, key ships are stationed as needed.

Not to mention, you have planetary defenses that are automated, as well as a number of fighter craft. Also, I think that while each planet in the Federation joins the Federation for mutual benefit, isn't it the case that each planet also maintains its own autonomy, and presumably its own military, as well?

For example, in TMP, you have Spock traveling in a Vulcan designed shuttle. We also know there was a Vulcan fleet, an Earth Fleet, and an Andorian fleet in Enterprise. Does the creation of the Federation and Starfleet necessarily mean those individual miltaries go away? Isn't it possible that each planet still maintains its own military ships within its on solar systems and colonies, external to Starfleet, or even as an auxiliary force to Starfleet (IE like Naval reserves, Nation Guard, etc)?
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Old June 22 2013, 10:47 PM   #45
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Re: Size of starfleet?

It's also been suggested in some sources, such as FASA, that not every planet within Federation space is an actual member represented in their government. Some planets are independent on a state/government level and others have an associate membership (with certain privileges not granted to full members). Most of those who accept Federation control of local space but choose to remain independent do so for reasons of economy or security.
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