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Old June 20 2013, 04:14 AM   #16
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Re: So what do you think of the Typhon Pact (as an organization)?

^ PLEASE remember, for the consideration of the authors who read and post here, story ideas are NOT allowed. To post them is to ensure that no author will be allowed to write anything similar to them in the future.

EDIT: Beat me to the punch!
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Old June 20 2013, 04:16 AM   #17
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So corrected.

Was trying for speculation rather than story ideas. Won't happen again.
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Old June 20 2013, 04:17 AM   #18
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I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't incorporate some movieverse elements as a result, too, like Vulcan suddenly developing inexplicable earthquakes and a need to evacuate the planet before it collapses.
It wouldn't make sense to include that in any novels, as it happened in an entirely different reality. If the novels are to focus only on events of the primary universe, then any mention of the destruction of Romulus would likely also include a narrative about the disappearance of both Spock and the Narada, but nothing more than that. As far as anyone should be able to tell, both were crushed by the singularity.

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Old June 20 2013, 04:38 PM   #19
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I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't incorporate some movieverse elements as a result, too, like Vulcan suddenly developing inexplicable earthquakes and a need to evacuate the planet before it collapses.
It wouldn't make sense to include that in any novels, as it happened in an entirely different reality.
And the only reason it happened was because the Narada's drill was used to deliver a black hole into the planet's core. Nothing about the destruction of Vulcan was natural.
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Old June 21 2013, 04:50 AM   #20
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Back with "Singular Destiny" I thought that the Typhon Pact would make an interesting enemy, but since then I haven't really found the Pact to be that enemy that they were setup to be. I've read up to Brinkmanship, but right now I've found the Pact is more of a mouse giving off the roar of a tiger and doesn't really seem to be as big of a threat, or even be in the same class of enemy to the Federation as the Cardassians/Dominion or the Borg. The Pact seems to be more like those two races from "The Outrageous Okona", and my reaction tends to be like Riker's in that episode when he says that the regs do call for shields against pea shooters.
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Old June 21 2013, 03:11 PM   #21
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Back with "Singular Destiny" I thought that the Typhon Pact would make an interesting enemy, but since then I haven't really found the Pact to be that enemy that they were setup to be. I've read up to Brinkmanship, but right now I've found the Pact is more of a mouse giving off the roar of a tiger and doesn't really seem to be as big of a threat, or even be in the same class of enemy to the Federation as the Cardassians/Dominion or the Borg. The Pact seems to be more like those two races from "The Outrageous Okona", and my reaction tends to be like Riker's in that episode when he says that the regs do call for shields against pea shooters.
I've only read Cold Equations and Zero Sum Game so the Typhon Pact is coming off as pretty formidable so far. Admittedly, the Breen are coming off a bit like Starscream so far. I.e. the guy who does more damage to you than your enemies.
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Old June 21 2013, 03:13 PM   #22
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I've only read Cold Equations and Zero Sum Game so the Typhon Pact is coming off as pretty formidable so far. Admittedly, the Breen are coming off a bit like Starscream so far. I.e. the guy who does more damage to you than your enemies.
Or Cobra Commander, who was also voiced by Chris Latta.

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Old June 21 2013, 03:20 PM   #23
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Yeah, from what little I've seen, the Breen don't get this "cooperation" thing.

Which is ironic given they're a Federation of sorts.
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Old June 21 2013, 03:43 PM   #24
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Back with "Singular Destiny" I thought that the Typhon Pact would make an interesting enemy, but since then I haven't really found the Pact to be that enemy that they were setup to be. I've read up to Brinkmanship, but right now I've found the Pact is more of a mouse giving off the roar of a tiger and doesn't really seem to be as big of a threat, or even be in the same class of enemy to the Federation as the Cardassians/Dominion or the Borg.
See, that's the mistake people keep making. The Pact was never meant to be just another Big Bad, another basis for war stories. Destiny was the biggest war/action story you could ever have, and in the wake of that it would've been foolish to try to top it, so the decision was made to go in a different direction, a subtler and more sociopolitical direction. The big conflict is ended, the chessboard has been knocked over, and now the survivors have to rebuild, to establish new relationships and power dynamics, to try out new approaches in a new, transformed galaxy. Powers that once dominated the quadrant are weakened, and that opens the door for formerly marginalized powers to become prominent, and they're jockeying for position and advantage both with the old powers and with one another.
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Old June 21 2013, 04:52 PM   #25
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I understand Christopher, now, certainly. Still, I will say I *LOVE* when the Typhon Pact and Federation butt heads both politically as well as covertly. I love Cold War stories and think the TP is great for them.
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Old June 22 2013, 09:40 PM   #26
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Back with "Singular Destiny" I thought that the Typhon Pact would make an interesting enemy, but since then I haven't really found the Pact to be that enemy that they were setup to be. I've read up to Brinkmanship, but right now I've found the Pact is more of a mouse giving off the roar of a tiger and doesn't really seem to be as big of a threat, or even be in the same class of enemy to the Federation as the Cardassians/Dominion or the Borg.
See, that's the mistake people keep making. The Pact was never meant to be just another Big Bad, another basis for war stories. Destiny was the biggest war/action story you could ever have, and in the wake of that it would've been foolish to try to top it, so the decision was made to go in a different direction, a subtler and more sociopolitical direction. The big conflict is ended, the chessboard has been knocked over, and now the survivors have to rebuild, to establish new relationships and power dynamics, to try out new approaches in a new, transformed galaxy. Powers that once dominated the quadrant are weakened, and that opens the door for formerly marginalized powers to become prominent, and they're jockeying for position and advantage both with the old powers and with one another.
I'm very glad this didn't just turn into another war story. What we've gotten so far has been a lot more interesting, IMO, than if they had turned the TP/KA conflict into just another big shooting war.
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Old June 23 2013, 04:15 AM   #27
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i've been playing catchup on the post-nemesis books. I'm just now getting to the TP series. When i get to the DRG III duology of the series, i will have no knowledge whatsoever of the DS9 relaunch. Can i read the DRG III books, or would i be lost getting into where things are with DS9?
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Old June 23 2013, 04:33 AM   #28
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^No more lost than people who are familiar with the relaunch, essentially, since there's a 4-year gap in the storyline that hasn't been filled in, so it's kind of a fresh start for everyone. There are some references to past events, but on the whole it's not that closely tied to prior relaunch storylines.
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Old June 24 2013, 04:20 AM   #29
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Back with "Singular Destiny" I thought that the Typhon Pact would make an interesting enemy, but since then I haven't really found the Pact to be that enemy that they were setup to be. I've read up to Brinkmanship, but right now I've found the Pact is more of a mouse giving off the roar of a tiger and doesn't really seem to be as big of a threat, or even be in the same class of enemy to the Federation as the Cardassians/Dominion or the Borg.
See, that's the mistake people keep making. The Pact was never meant to be just another Big Bad, another basis for war stories. Destiny was the biggest war/action story you could ever have, and in the wake of that it would've been foolish to try to top it, so the decision was made to go in a different direction, a subtler and more sociopolitical direction. The big conflict is ended, the chessboard has been knocked over, and now the survivors have to rebuild, to establish new relationships and power dynamics, to try out new approaches in a new, transformed galaxy. Powers that once dominated the quadrant are weakened, and that opens the door for formerly marginalized powers to become prominent, and they're jockeying for position and advantage both with the old powers and with one another.
But even with no war in the series, the Typhon Pact stories, for the most part, have been mediocre and subpar, since the Pact hasn't even offered that Cold War feel, and when compared to other Trek mini-series, such as "Double Helix", "Mission: Gamma" or "The Captain's Table", the Typhon Pact just pales in comparison, and a number of the plots seem to be reused over and over in the series, or are so similar to one another (how many times have we seen the Federation implant or extract a spy in the series already?) that the series just hasn't lived up to what was established in "Singular Destiny" for the "jumping off point"; it's landed flat on its face instead of flying.
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Old June 24 2013, 07:06 AM   #30
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Back with "Singular Destiny" I thought that the Typhon Pact would make an interesting enemy, but since then I haven't really found the Pact to be that enemy that they were setup to be. I've read up to Brinkmanship, but right now I've found the Pact is more of a mouse giving off the roar of a tiger and doesn't really seem to be as big of a threat, or even be in the same class of enemy to the Federation as the Cardassians/Dominion or the Borg.
See, that's the mistake people keep making. The Pact was never meant to be just another Big Bad, another basis for war stories. Destiny was the biggest war/action story you could ever have, and in the wake of that it would've been foolish to try to top it, so the decision was made to go in a different direction, a subtler and more sociopolitical direction. The big conflict is ended, the chessboard has been knocked over, and now the survivors have to rebuild, to establish new relationships and power dynamics, to try out new approaches in a new, transformed galaxy. Powers that once dominated the quadrant are weakened, and that opens the door for formerly marginalized powers to become prominent, and they're jockeying for position and advantage both with the old powers and with one another.
But even with no war in the series, the Typhon Pact stories, for the most part, have been mediocre and subpar, since the Pact hasn't even offered that Cold War feel,
Given the events of Zero Sum Game, Rough Beasts of Empire, Plagues of Night, Raise the Dawn, and Brinkmanship? I really don't know how you can say that Star Trek: Typhon Pact hasn't offered "that Cold War feel."

and when compared to other Trek mini-series, such as "Double Helix", "Mission: Gamma" or "The Captain's Table", the Typhon Pact just pales in comparison, and a number of the plots seem to be reused over and over in the series, or are so similar to one another (how many times have we seen the Federation implant or extract a spy in the series already?)
A spy, or a short-term covert operative?

By my count, we saw Federation spies in Brinkmanship and we saw a short-term covert operation in Zero Sum Game. Had the Federation any decent spies on Romulus, the crises in Rough Beasts/Plagues/Dawn might have been averted.

that the series just hasn't lived up to what was established in "Singular Destiny" for the "jumping off point"; it's landed flat on its face instead of flying.
Don't agree at all. By my count, the only weak entry in Typhon Pact was Seize the Fire. Zero Sum Game is a wonderful, James-Bond-meets-John-le-Carre thriller, and Brinkmanship kept me on the edge of my seat, and Plagues/Dawn is just one of the absolute best duologies of the past thirteen years.
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