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Old June 20 2013, 10:50 PM   #151
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It cost $190 million to make ST:ID so it basically broke even.
I'm no so sure I agree with your arithmetic.
$400+ million dollars is the GROSS box office take. Depending on the studio, distributor and theater chain, the studio usually takes 1/3 to 1/2 of the gross. Plus you have to factor in that distribution and marketing are not covered in the production costs. .
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Old June 20 2013, 10:51 PM   #152
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It cost $190 million to make ST:ID so it basically broke even.
I'm no so sure I agree with your arithmetic.
It's not arithmetic - it's a conclusion based on a supposition for which there's no supporting evidence.

The movie's done a lot better than "breaking even," and the next sequel will be released in 2016.
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Old June 20 2013, 10:57 PM   #153
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It cost $190 million to make ST:ID so it basically broke even.
I'm no so sure I agree with your arithmetic.
It's not arithmetic - it's a conclusion based on a supposition for which there's no supporting evidence.

The movie's done a lot better than "breaking even," and the next sequel will be released in 2016.
Good Grief do we have to go over this again. A movies has to make double (actually its closer to triple now) it's production cost because what it is usually reported is the Gross Box office. As for a sequel, since Abrams is making Star Wars, isn't 2016 too early.
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Old June 20 2013, 11:02 PM   #154
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Good Grief do we have to go over this again. A movies has to make double (actually its closer to triple now) it's production cost because what it is usually reported is the Gross Box office. As for a sequel, since Abrams is making Star Wars, isn't 2016 too early.
Hollywood has been in the business of adding a good amount of padding to the public budget numbers for many years now. Star Trek Into Darkness likely cost nowhere near that $190 million dollar total that's been made public.

As far as Abrams goes, he will likely produce the third feature not direct. So it should still be on for a 2016 premiere.

Besides, Oz, the Great and Powerful is suppose to be getting a sequel and it made $491 million worldwide on a $234 million dollar budget.
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Old June 20 2013, 11:11 PM   #155
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Hollywood has been in the business of adding a good amount of padding to the public budget numbers for many years now. Star Trek Into Darkness likely cost nowhere near that $190 million dollar total that's been made public.
Actually Hollywood has the opposite problem. Ballooning costs due to special effects and conversions to 3D.

As far as Abrams goes, he will likely produce the third feature not direct. So it should still be on for a 2016 premiere.
Being a producer doesn't mean anything. Ask Gene Roddenberry.

Besides, Oz, the Great and Powerful is suppose to be getting a sequel and it made $491 million worldwide on a $234 million dollar budget.
All I can say is that a sequel isn't "official" until they start filming.
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Old June 20 2013, 11:13 PM   #156
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Being a producer doesn't mean anything. Ask Gene Roddenberry.
It does when you own the company (Bad Robot) that makes the movie.
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Old June 20 2013, 11:15 PM   #157
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It's extremely difficult to guess at how profitable these movies are, even if the budgets we hear about are accurate. Off the top of my head, I know Esurance had some sort of promotional deal with Into Darkness. Who the hell knows how much that was worth?
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Old June 20 2013, 11:17 PM   #158
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It's extremely difficult to guess at how profitable these movies are, even if the budgets we hear about are accurate. Off the top of my head, I know Esurance had some sort of promotional deal with Into Darkness. Who the hell knows how much that was worth?
Don't forget Acer as well.
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Old June 20 2013, 11:26 PM   #159
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I'm still not sure what excuse a movie that has made over $400 million dollars needs to make?
None at all, obviously. Some of the TOS-Onlies just won't let go of the hope that at some point Abrams will fail, on the ridiculous premise that if this happens Paramount will return to making entertainment of the kind they enjoyed decades ago.
Nonsense, and quite defensive of a film which has a tendency to generate legitimate questions--like that driving this thread.
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Old June 20 2013, 11:29 PM   #160
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A movies[sic] has to make double (actually its[sic] closer to triple now) it's[sic] production cost because what it[sic] is usually reported is the Gross Box office.
No. This simply isn't true, although people seem to think that if it's repeated often enough on the Internet it must be.
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I'm still not sure what excuse a movie that has made over $400 million dollars needs to make?
None at all, obviously. Some of the TOS-Onlies just won't let go of the hope that at some point Abrams will fail, on the ridiculous premise that if this happens Paramount will return to making entertainment of the kind they enjoyed decades ago.
Nonsense, and quite defensive of a film which has a tendency to generate legitimate questions--like that driving this thread.
I answered it pretty well. Anyone who thinks Trek is in league with Superman or Iron Man is simply delusional. Just because I personally love it doesn't mean everyone does.
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Old June 20 2013, 11:36 PM   #162
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Being a producer doesn't mean anything. Ask Gene Roddenberry.
It does when you own the company (Bad Robot) that makes the movie.
Uhm Viacom/Paramount OWNS Star Trek and Bad Robot is just a production company. If Paramount isn't happy, they can easily be replaced.
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Old June 20 2013, 11:38 PM   #163
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Being a producer doesn't mean anything. Ask Gene Roddenberry.
It does when you own the company (Bad Robot) that makes the movie.
Uhm Viacom/Paramount OWNS Star Trek and Bad Robot is just a production company. If Paramount isn't happy, they can easily be replaced.
Keep hanging onto that dream. I'll see you at 'Star Trek 3 produced by Bad Robot' in 2016.
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Old June 20 2013, 11:47 PM   #164
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I'm not talking about profit, but attendance.
I seriousely doubt there are 400 million ST fans
1) Who said anything about fans ? I said attendance.
2) I didn't say 400 million viewers. I said 400 million, meaning dollars. I also said I wasn't talking about profit from that figure, but attendance.

Is that clearer, now ?
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Old June 20 2013, 11:49 PM   #165
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A movies[sic] has to make double (actually its[sic] closer to triple now) it's[sic] production cost because what it[sic] is usually reported is the Gross Box office.
No. This simply isn't true, although people seem to think that if it's repeated often enough on the Internet it must be.
Here's proof I'm right
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/t...rstanding.html

Now where is yours
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