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Old June 18 2013, 09:27 AM   #91
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Re: Falling Skies - season 3

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No proof yet the new human is telling the absolute truth. Lotsa people can claim to be president...
That's certainly true.

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Pope was the guy who let his crew rape women. I have to disagree that the episode was good characterization. It retconned Pope into a nicer person, but why is that desirable?
It's not a retcon, it's character development-- he's being changed, perhaps, by his experiences in the war. We'll see.
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Old June 19 2013, 03:23 AM   #92
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Yes, she is/was pregnant. I'm not sure when she gave birth, but that is not a fat suit she is wearing.
After the premiere, I had to look it up. According to IMDB, she had a baby in December. I also read that filming started in August, so she was pregnant through out filming, it seems.
According to Producer/Directors Greg Beemans Blog next weeks episode was
Makes sense.

I also have to agree that Pope is going through evolution/character development. And I like it.
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Old June 19 2013, 03:38 AM   #93
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No proof yet the new human is telling the absolute truth. Lotsa people can claim to be president...
That's certainly true.
You didn't translate their reactions?

Benjamin Hathaway was President before the invasion and he's been fighting his own war against the aliens for the last two years (or he's been hiding in a bunker with his thumb up his bung hole.).

The part has been cast with Stephen Collins formerly of 7th Heaven and Star Trek the Motionless picture. Oh, and he's going to be on Devious Maids next week.
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Old June 19 2013, 09:29 AM   #94
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Yes, obviously Benjamin Hathaway was president when the aliens came, but we don't know yet if the guy claiming to be Hathaway is really him.

Stephen Collins is pretty good, despite 7th Heaven and Decker. His best role was Jake Cutter in Tales of the Gold Monkey.
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Old June 19 2013, 09:54 AM   #95
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So are you thinking that he's locked in his bunker, and all presidential orders are are written on toilet paper and tucked under a door frame? But it all turns out to be a complicated shell game like in Patterns of Force?

Or is it one of Hathaway's bullet catching Secret Service Dopplegangers lying constantly about the legitimacy of his appearance like with what happened with Richard Nixon and they based the movie Dave on?
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Old June 19 2013, 05:16 PM   #96
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I think the president is a wimp and has been living in a bunker somewhere for 2 years crying in his own filth.

Then it turns out there are some humans still alive and he goes "I'm the boss, I mean president, listen to me!"
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Old June 19 2013, 10:09 PM   #97
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There are no concessions for ignoring elections in perpetuity. Hathaway's Presidency might have expired?
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Old June 19 2013, 11:03 PM   #98
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Actually, I think it's probably him, but it certainly could be a fake-- or he could be a collaborator.
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Old June 20 2013, 03:24 PM   #99
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He's the President of Nothing. The United States doesn't exist any more. He has about as much authority as the President of the USSR did in 1993.
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Old June 20 2013, 03:55 PM   #100
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He's the President of Nothing. The United States doesn't exist any more. He has about as much authority as the President of the USSR did in 1993.
Well technically he'd have authority over any remaining US armed forces. While regional governments after an alien invasion may not recognize the authority of a national government it would be interesting in such a scenario how individual combat units would respond to announcement that the President is alive and in control.

I've never been in the military but as I understand it they are indoctrinated to follow the chain of command and if commanders had allegiance to the President - so would they - IMO?
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Old June 20 2013, 04:17 PM   #101
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He's the President of Nothing. The United States doesn't exist any more. He has about as much authority as the President of the USSR did in 1993.
Well technically he'd have authority over any remaining US armed forces. While regional governments after an alien invasion may not recognize the authority of a national government it would be interesting in such a scenario how individual combat units would respond to announcement that the President is alive and in control.

I've never been in the military but as I understand it they are indoctrinated to follow the chain of command and if commanders had allegiance to the President - so would they - IMO?
Yea, I think you're mostly right.

As Guy pointed out, if the term he was elected for is still active, without a question, he is the President and it is his duty to lead.

If the term he was elected for has expired, during the invasion/rebellion, then he is the natural one to lead, and I believe he has a duty to do so, however, if there is a mechanism for objecting and replacing him, then it becomes stickier.

In addition to all that, The Federal Government is not the ruler of the United States, the States are self Governing, and merely have to stay within the confines of Federal Laws. Other than Federal laws, the only "authority" over the states comes from the power of the Military and the power of the purse. Well, obviously, the power of the purse is gone, and there is no infrastructure for enforcing Federal Laws Countrywide, so, really, local leaders aren't practically bound by the President's authority (Other than his possible ability to take his authority with the military). Of course if a President does turn up, it would be in everyone's best interest for the Local Leaders to work with the President and allow him to take the lead coordinating with the various local groups (providing he isn't some "off the rails" fool)
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Old June 20 2013, 04:52 PM   #102
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Simple answer: There's no guarantee that the Presidential Bunker survived the initial invasion of beings capable of crossing space and invading entire planets.

Therefore, any assertion of the president's survival and legitmacy is suspect until someone from the 2nd Mass can see his face and confirm his identity. If that happens next episode, fine. Until then, I don't trust Sniper Barbie as far as I can throw her.
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Old June 20 2013, 04:56 PM   #103
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Simple answer: There's no guarantee that the Presidential Bunker survived the initial invasion of beings capable of crossing space and invading entire planets.

Therefore, any assertion of the president's survival and legitmacy is suspect until someone from the 2nd Mass can see his face and confirm his identity. If that happens next episode, fine. Until then, I don't trust Sniper Barbie as far as I can throw her.
Oh, absolutely the information shouldn't be judged as accurate without proof. My post, was about what the possibilities are once they have that proof.
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Old June 20 2013, 05:13 PM   #104
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Simple answer: There's no guarantee that the Presidential Bunker survived the initial invasion of beings capable of crossing space and invading entire planets.

Therefore, any assertion of the president's survival and legitmacy is suspect until someone from the 2nd Mass can see his face and confirm his identity. If that happens next episode, fine. Until then, I don't trust Sniper Barbie as far as I can throw her.
Oh, absolutely the information shouldn't be judged as accurate without proof. My post, was about what the possibilities are once they have that proof.
I was just making a general observation in response to the whole discussion, not just your post. Actually everything you said makes sense. Really, if the president turns out to have survived his only automatic authority is command over Federal armed forces. His authority over civilians requires federal laws, which are enacted by Congress. If the records of the old laws (including the Founding Documents) are destroyed, and there is no Congress to enact new ones, then even if the old president survived I'd say any civilian willing to continue his allegiance to President Tom Mason ought to. It's up to those soldiers who were in the military before the invasion to decide to respect the survivor's authority or resign from Federal service and enlist as regulars in the current resistance.

In short, there is no "have to" when it comes to accepting this Hathaway's leadership...except if he wants to force the issue at the point of a gun.

And if he does that, what kind of leader would he be anyway?
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He has already forced the issue at gunpoint, through the sniper and killed someone.

We don't know if his term is up, but I wouldn't follow a president. There are likely 100,000 Americans left at most, the aliens won, we lost. There is no Country anymore. Tom to me is leader of the city, which is The New USA.
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