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View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
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A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
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Old June 20 2013, 03:29 AM   #541
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I can't wait for Man of Steel 2, and I can't wait to see what direction they go for it!
My prediction: Citizen Luthor rebuilds Metropolis into the shining City of Tomorrow for the good of mankind, while Evil Genius Luthor reverse-engineers the Kryptonian wreckage to fight the alien Superman and his ilk--for the good of mankind.
And Real Estate Luthor buys low and sells high.
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Old June 20 2013, 03:47 AM   #542
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Like it or not Lex in the next movie could have a monopoly on real estate and housing due to so much damage.

He'll rebuild the skyscrapers and high rise apartments.....but at a steep cost and higher rent payments.
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Old June 20 2013, 04:01 AM   #543
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it's just that screenwriters forced a scenario in which he couldn't so that the stakes could be portrayed heavier--It's poor screenwriting.
It made perfect sense to me. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it "poor screenwriting."

With this, I really hope David Goyer doesn't come back to write the screenplay and sticks to coming up the stories like did for the last two Batman movies.
With this, I hope Goyer writes every fucking DC Comics movie from here on out.
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Old June 20 2013, 04:08 AM   #544
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Like it or not Lex in the next movie could have a monopoly on real estate and housing due to so much damage.

He'll rebuild the skyscrapers and high rise apartments.....but at a steep cost and higher rent payments.
Nah, Wayne Enterprises outbids LexCorp for the reconstruction contracts. (Synergy!) Luthor's too busy telling people Superman can't be trusted while developing weapons to destroy him.
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Old June 20 2013, 04:14 AM   #545
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Like it or not Lex in the next movie could have a monopoly on real estate and housing due to so much damage.

He'll rebuild the skyscrapers and high rise apartments.....but at a steep cost and higher rent payments.
Nah, Wayne Enterprises outbids LexCorp for the reconstruction contracts. (Synergy!) Luthor's too busy telling people Superman can't be trusted while developing weapons to destroy him.

But Luthor could be the "man of tomorrow" by getting on peoples good side and helping with the reconstruction.

Lex- Where was this superman when I was lifting rubble to help this little old lady out? He was hiding!

He helps the public and works with the government to make weapons to control this alien.

Might even get him elected president if they go that route.
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Old June 20 2013, 04:31 AM   #546
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Kal would have done search and rescue, X-Ray vision superburrowing, deaths would have been minimalised and no one would have been in a 132 Hours situation.

Even if he cleared away a lot of the debris, judging from his efforts on the rig, I don't think he could lift a chunk of Kryptonite the size of Manhattan into orbit. This Superman is barely stronger than a locomotive.

If they really wanted to pose a shout out... One of the companies bankrolling the rebuild should be queen industries... When abouts Arrow should be starting season 5 bu the time Man of Steel II comes out.
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Old June 20 2013, 04:51 AM   #547
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If they do Lex in the next movie, the only thing I would like to see from it is that they don't over act him like they have done in the past. The old dime store novel evil genius is old. Bring his to reality like they have Superman and it'll be good. I would really rather they stay away from Lex, he has been overdone in the movies.
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Old June 20 2013, 05:07 AM   #548
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Get ready, boys - feminist treatise on Lois Lane coming up...

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I had heard of the show but never seen it and don't know much about it.

So the idea isn't unprecedented. The question stands: would such a film have been a good vehicle for the reboot?
It's hard to sell any superhero movie/ comic/ story where the superhero isn't the main character. Such things are mostly deep riffs on established franchises and only work in the original format - i.e. the Astro City and Gotham Central comics. They have a niche appeal so I'm not sure it'd work for a summer blockbuster tentpole reboot of a character like Superman.

That said, I've always thought that Superman's is a very romantic story and that Lois is essentially as important to the mythos as Supes himself. If you don't buy that she's the equal of this god-like being, so challenging to him that she, alone among mortals, could be his partner in life - then the whole thing falls apart. In other words, I'd go see it - I just don't know if anyone else would.

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A bit off topic but I must add: few weeks ago there was such a hullabaloo about the Dr. Carol Marcus underwear scene in STiD and certain feminists and male apologists were up in arms about it. Yet when they show a kick-ass female character in Faora-UL in MoS, who was IMO cooler and much more badass than Gen. Zod himself, not a peep from any woman who says they are happy about it. The silence about Antje Trau's amazing performance is defeaning and absolutely hypocriticial.
Believe it or not, women aren't exactly looking for warrior chicks as evidence of the gender equality creds of a movie. A female character built on a male ideal (badass fearless warrior) is fine and all, but it's still a female character built to please men, not one designed to represent the strengths of women as women. However, a great deal has been said about the smart, capable Lois Lane presented in this film, who is an active player in the saving of humanity, rather than a passive damsel in distress.

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Did anyone else like/love Amy Adams take on Lois Lane over Kate Bosworth's in SR?

Kate Bosworth as LL was one of the two things I simply could not stand about SR. Way, waaaay too far removed from Kidder's version, imo. Her 'risk taking' felt forced.

Amy's version was so good, I wonder what she knows about me that I am unaware I revealed to her!
I frankly thought both were great as Lois. I've never understood the criticism Bosworth got in the role, and thought she not only had plenty of spunk but played the emotion in her scenes with Routh beautifully (yeah, she was a bit young, but SR was clearly taking place in a more idealized comic book world so that never really bothered me).
Bosworth was horrible. She was entirely unbelievable as a tough and effective reporter - she projected absolutely no strength, no courage, no intelligence.

Not that anyone in this crowd is the slightest bit interested, but as a woman, every time any portrayal of Lois is praised as "spunky" I want to throw up. "Spunky" is how you describe a precocious seven year old girl and it's insulting to see it applied to an adult woman as if it's a compliment. Lois is supposed to be an intelligent, effective, tough professional who can get stories through tenacity and ingenuity that no one else has. She's courageous enough to print things that are so challenging that the powers that be would like to see her dead - and she prints them anyway. That is not "spunky" - it's a person of such moral integrity that we might all wish we had her strength of character. The entire problem with Bosworth's portrayal is that the best that can be said of it was that she was "spunky".
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Old June 20 2013, 05:11 AM   #549
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If they do Lex in the next movie, the only thing I would like to see from it is that they don't over act him like they have done in the past. The old dime store novel evil genius is old. Bring his to reality like they have Superman and it'll be good. I would really rather they stay away from Lex, he has been overdone in the movies.
The greatest criminal mind of our time, over done?????!!!!!
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Old June 20 2013, 05:35 AM   #550
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Nerys, over used is a better term, particularly as they have played him as a dime store novel evil genius every time. IMO, your use may vary. Look, I cringed when they said Zod was going to be the villain in this one, due to Superman II, but, they did him right. If Lex is done, I just ask to make him more "real" like the other characters.
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Old June 20 2013, 05:48 AM   #551
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If they do Lex in the next movie, the only thing I would like to see from it is that they don't over act him like they have done in the past. The old dime store novel evil genius is old. Bring his to reality like they have Superman and it'll be good. I would really rather they stay away from Lex, he has been overdone in the movies.
The greatest criminal mind of our time, over done?????!!!!!
Campy Lex was fine in the Reeve Superman movies since they were going for silver age Superman for those movies.

But it is time to move on to more modern badass Lex. I really enjoyed John Shea's Lex from Lois and Clark, Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville, and the best portrayal of Lex is still by Clancy Brown in the DCAU. I would prefer a mix of businessman/inventor Luthor.
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Old June 20 2013, 06:06 AM   #552
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If they do Lex in the next movie, the only thing I would like to see from it is that they don't over act him like they have done in the past. The old dime store novel evil genius is old. Bring his to reality like they have Superman and it'll be good. I would really rather they stay away from Lex, he has been overdone in the movies.
The greatest criminal mind of our time, over done?????!!!!!
Campy Lex was fine in the Reeve Superman movies since they were going for silver age Superman for those movies.

But it is time to move on to more modern badass Lex. I really enjoyed John Shea's Lex from Lois and Clark, Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville, and the best portrayal of Lex is still by Clancy Brown in the DCAU. I would prefer a mix of businessman/inventor Luthor.
Clancy Brown? Yeah we got him. I think he's playing geskana with Trip and Archer in the desert atm.
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Old June 20 2013, 07:22 AM   #553
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I know what you mean. I really like this version of Superman and it's been on my mind a lot over the last week. The next installment can't get here soon enough. I was also thinking that it would be nice if they could put out a well written comic that takes place in this world, the way they're doing with Star Trek and Smallville, just so I can have my Man of Steel fix. I don't see what stories it could tell though since they're just getting started and there probably isn't much they could use as a follow-up that would be better on the page than in a sequel.
Yeah I'd love to see a Man of Steel comic (a new one, I mean), but it would probably be a bit tricky at the moment.
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Old June 20 2013, 07:39 AM   #554
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Bosworth was horrible. She was entirely unbelievable as a tough and effective reporter - she projected absolutely no strength, no courage, no intelligence.

Not that anyone in this crowd is the slightest bit interested, but as a woman, every time any portrayal of Lois is praised as "spunky" I want to throw up. "Spunky" is how you describe a precocious seven year old girl and it's insulting to see it applied to an adult woman as if it's a compliment. Lois is supposed to be an intelligent, effective, tough professional who can get stories through tenacity and ingenuity that no one else has. She's courageous enough to print things that are so challenging that the powers that be would like to see her dead - and she prints them anyway. That is not "spunky" - it's a person of such moral integrity that we might all wish we had her strength of character. The entire problem with Bosworth's portrayal is that the best that can be said of it was that she was "spunky".
Sorry, no offense meant. I only used the word because I know it's a favorite one that's been used to describe the character for awhile now.

Although I still disagree about Bosworth. Obviously she wouldn't pass muster as a reporter in the real world, but again, this was clearly intended to be a fairly romanticized comic book world (where everything is art deco and has a warm golden glow to it, and the actors look impossibly young), so I thought it actually made sense in that context.
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Old June 20 2013, 08:02 AM   #555
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Say the filming began in 2005, maybe 2004 for a 2006 release... Kate was born in 1983. Which made the actress playing the mother of a 7 year old only 21 or 22 years old. Which means that she gave birth to the kid at 14, and got knocked up at 13, and then had all her Donner era adventures, say between five and 12 years, but she was already the great Lois Lane when Clark showed up, which is three or 4 years on the staff pary roll and maybe an internship before that. So roughly... And I do mean roughly that Lois Lane must have got her journalism degree from college roughly at about the same point that she was being born.

Lois in Superman Returns should have been played by a well preserved 40 year old. Brandon, young as he was could still play Superman, I like Brandon, but the script and direction, the poor boy, but between time dialation from the journey to krypton and back plus his solar charged immortality, Lois should be aging a lot faster than Clark. Earth II Superman used to have to wear make up to pretend he was as old as his wife.
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