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Old June 19 2013, 04:31 PM   #496
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But since Goyer, Snyder and Nolan want to redefine Superman as a killer


I have to admit, sometimes I wonder if you actually pay attention to the movies you watch or if you have a 'special edition' that plays in your head?
That post was commenting on the link. Here's a quote from David Goyer: "Hopfully we've redefined Superman." Obviously you didn't understand what you saw in the movie, but here it comes from the horse's mouth. If you didn't bother to follow the link, why bother to post? As for arguing the issue of whether killing Zod successfully redefines Superman, take it up with Goyer. I explained why I don't think it does.
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Old June 19 2013, 04:33 PM   #497
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I really love the fact that despite the fact the insane amount of collateral damage that Supes actually participates in most likely kills tons of people the surviving bystanders of the city of metropolis go like"He saved us!" when reacting to Supes. It was a moment that was pointed out by Mark Waid, and that took me out of the film with how unrealistic it was. I mean, I wasn't expecting a gritty, realistic flick(it's the story of a white alien from another planet that has superpowers.) but a little more believability wouldn't have hurt. I thought this film was all about"What if Superman existed in real life?" The film kinda short-changes that question a lot by doing that.
In the heat of battle it's kind of hard for Superman to pause and have a soliloquy bemoaning all the loss of life. It's not like comic books where we can have thought balloons either, and a voice-over of his inner monologue would have been awful. The fact is he was in a fight for his life, and for every other life on the planet. If he'd been able to do it any other way he would have. He even directed the fight into space at one point but got dragged back down to earth.

Still, an acknowledgment of all the collateral damage would have been nice after the fact. Maybe a few shots of Superman helping to rebuild the city. Not sure if that would have really worked either though.
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Old June 19 2013, 04:36 PM   #498
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I can't wait for Man of Steel 2, and I can't wait to see what direction they go for it!
My prediction: Citizen Luthor rebuilds Metropolis into the shining City of Tomorrow for the good of mankind, while Evil Genius Luthor reverse-engineers the Kryptonian wreckage to fight the alien Superman and his ilk--for the good of mankind.
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Old June 19 2013, 05:00 PM   #499
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^Sounds about right.
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Old June 19 2013, 05:05 PM   #500
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It wouldn't surprise me if Luthor creates Metallo and various other villains to fight Superman to cause more damage and make him look worse while making Luthor look better.

Or heck, maybe Kenny Braverman.
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Old June 19 2013, 05:33 PM   #501
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That post was commenting on the link. Here's a quote from David Goyer: "Hopfully we've redefined Superman." Obviously you didn't understand what you saw in the movie, but here it comes from the horse's mouth. If you didn't bother to follow the link, why bother to post? As for arguing the issue of whether killing Zod successfully redefines Superman, take it up with Goyer. I explained why I don't think it does.
Goyer was hardly suggesting that Superman was being redefined as a "killer" in this movie. You're kinda putting words in his mouth there.

And again, how many movie heroes do you see absolutely agonizing like that over having to kill the main villain? That says a whole lot about Superman's character right there.
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Old June 19 2013, 05:36 PM   #502
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Grade: B+

The first hour+ with the Clark on his journey while having paternal flashbacks to pivot moments in his life were great. Then the tone shifts and it's just one long fight sequence.
This movie needed about 12-15min trimmed out of those fight sequences. They feel bloated. Lois was too easily shoe horned into Clarks life and after the events on the Kent farm who can't figure out(at least in the high ups of government) that Clark is Superman. Glasses or not. Don't buy the romance, it makes the Thor/Jane Foster love affair look lengthy and laid out. Just like they saved Lex for the sequel no real purpose was served by having Perry White & the Planet there. In this day and age he could've pulled her story via email or phone call. They didn't serve a purpose as a link to Metropolis anymore than other Joe Citizens would have.

Superman snapping his neck?? Is this our 'dark' Superman? He could've flown straight up with him, covered his eyes....snapped his neck 3 downed skyscrapers ago. Not that anyone would blame him or peg him as a killer per se. However, he's just come out to the world and his first act is all this destruction and then kills the bad guy. I can see a mixed reaction from some segments of the populace and governments right away.

I nitpicked a bit, sure, but I enjoyed it despite my issues with it just as a film. It's quite the amalgamation in terms of an adaptation.

Anyone else get the SW prequel vibe on Krypton with the harnessed beast of burden and flying dragon-esque creature. Why do advanced civilizations with ray guns and interstellar ship still strap a bridle into some creatures mouth and ride it? That's like saying if pterodactyls were still around today we'd be flying them as a mode of transportation??

I'll see it again to let it sink it some more. It's light years better than Returns was, is more fun than any of the Nolan Batman's. Those aren't rewatch enjoyment for me, this I feel will be. It wasn't quite the fun of the Marvel films but Man of Steel deserves any and all success it can merit. Glad to have you back Big Blue.
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Old June 19 2013, 06:30 PM   #503
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Don't buy the romance, it makes the Thor/Jane Foster love affair look lengthy and laid out.
I don't think this was intended to be a full-blown romance or anything, or that the kiss at the end suggested they had fallen madly in love and were about to ride off into the sunset together.

No, they had simply been through a huge ordeal together, developed a trust and a connection with each other, and just kinda got caught up in the moment right then. It's the kind of moment you see at the end of pretty much every action movie where you have a guy rescuing a girl he likes from danger.

Anyone else get the SW prequel vibe on Krypton with the harnessed beast of burden and flying dragon-esque creature. Why do advanced civilizations with ray guns and interstellar ship still strap a bridle into some creatures mouth and ride it? That's like saying if pterodactyls were still around today we'd be flying them as a mode of transportation??
Well people today still ride on horses in some areas. I imagine the dragon creature Jor-El rode was regarded as something similar to that.
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Old June 19 2013, 06:33 PM   #504
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I feel like this analysis could easily be written in "Man Of Steel's" world


http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakari...death-analysis


"In the end, Superman wins the day. But at what cost?"
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Old June 19 2013, 06:53 PM   #505
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I feel like this analysis could easily be written in "Man Of Steel's" world


http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakari...death-analysis


"In the end, Superman wins the day. But at what cost?"
But what is the cost if he doesn't save the day?
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Old June 19 2013, 06:54 PM   #506
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"In the end, Superman wins the day. But at what cost?"
Well if Superman had lost than everyone would have been killed since Zod want to kill off the human race - so I'd say virtually any cost in human lives save the last 100 people on the planet to make a new genetic pool was a good deal.
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Old June 19 2013, 07:11 PM   #507
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The fact that there's a cost worthy of concern makes it a better story - particularly for adults.
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Old June 19 2013, 07:11 PM   #508
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Anyone else get the SW prequel vibe on Krypton with the harnessed beast of burden and flying dragon-esque creature. Why do advanced civilizations with ray guns and interstellar ship still strap a bridle into some creatures mouth and ride it? That's like saying if pterodactyls were still around today we'd be flying them as a mode of transportation??
Well people today still ride on horses in some areas. I imagine the dragon creature Jor-El rode was regarded as something similar to that.
Horses, Camels, Mules, Ostrich and the like are not 5-6x our size. It's why I chose my example as I did. Cause in the film when Clark is born they show that Dewback looking creature that I equate with a Water Buffalo or larger animal humans use for plowing. Therefore the best example to Jor-El's winged ride is a pterodactyl. I doubt we'd be riding them in a general manner. Yet advanced sci-fi societies that have excellent interstellar travel just jump on a winged creature that is no doubt slower and less effective. Just an observation, it doesn't hinder my enjoyment of the film.
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Old June 19 2013, 07:23 PM   #509
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Did anyone else like/love Amy Adams take on Lois Lane over Kate Bosworth's in SR?

Kate Bosworth as LL was one of the two things I simply could not stand about SR. Way, waaaay too far removed from Kidder's version, imo. Her 'risk taking' felt forced.

Amy's version was so good, I wonder what she knows about me that I am unaware I revealed to her!
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Old June 19 2013, 07:33 PM   #510
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Man of Steel: The nerds are angering me again. They are mad that Superman kills Zod by a sweet neck snap. “Superman doesn’t kill,” they say through gnashed teeth.

The greatest Superman moment of all time is when Superman turns Zod into a defenseless human, crushes his hand and tosses him down an Arctic Abyss as the John Williams score swells.

And all of a sudden they are worried about the level of destruction caused by a fight between a bunch of super beings. I never read a lot of Superman comics but I did read death of Superman and I believe that when Superman fights Doomsday they also turned Metropolis into a fine powder.
Shut up nerds.

Maybe Kal should have just chucked the yellow cellophane “S” at Zod and maybe got into a blowing contest on the street.

I think the level of the Destruction is a great opening for a super genius villain to come in and blame Superman for wanton destruction and maybe even run for president with a promise to reign in the man of steel. So who should play Lex Luthor?
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