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Old June 18 2013, 10:21 PM   #76
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Re: Game of Thrones (book/show) newbie (please no spoilers!)

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Sansa was also sweet on Loras Tyrell, especially after he gave her the rose at the Hand's Tourney.

Boy, she sure can pick 'em!
I haven't gotten to this part yet (the tourney's just about to start) but it's not much of a spoiler, I guess.

Speaking of jerks Sansa had a crush on, I'm going to speculate a bit about the things most of you l know already. I was spoiled on Jaime/Cercei going on, but from the moment it was revealed in the book, I suspected that what they're trying to hide isn't just that, but that Joffrey is not Robert's son and that his uncle is his real dad. Now I've read the part where they talk about the late Jon Arryn taking an interest in a book about genealogy of noble families (and that story about how he supposedly was mentioning Robert's son on his deathbed), and I'm currently 100% sure my inkling is right, to the point that I'm going to be really surprised and disappointed if it doesn't turn out to be true. I'm just waiting to see how, when and who gets to find out.

What I'm not sure about is the other two kids. I'm wondering if the fact that little Tommen is chubby was mentioned as a clue that he's really Robert's son. In real life, I naturally wouldn't think any of it - many children are fat and grow up to be slim, and Robert was athletic when he was young and we don't know what he was like as a child, but he may also be one of those men who are prone to gaining weight and who are chubby as children, slim down in their early youth but then get fat pretty early. Mainly, I'm going to guess that Tommen is Robert's son, because 1) when something is mentioned in a book it's likely to be a clue and 2) it would make the story more complicated and interesting (not to mention dangerous for Tommen, if the spoiled brat learns he's not king's real son but his little brother is) - not in this book, probably, but down the line.

But don't tell me if I'm right or not.
You are right. Or you may not actually be right. In this day and age, who can know?
Well, now that I've read the part about Arryn and Stannis looking for King's bastard son, I'm leaning more towards none of Cersei's kids being Robert's, or maybe Arryn just thought so. I don't know, I was never sure about that. But I'm sure about Joffrey, more so all the time, they're dropping clues left and right.
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Old June 18 2013, 11:22 PM   #77
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Peter Dinklage was the only actor who was offered the part of Tyrion, no one else was auditioned for it and the producers never thought of anyone else for the role.
Other actors were auditioned for Ned, but only in case Sean Bean refused. He was the producers' first choice for Ned.
I don't suppose you know what other actors were auditioned for Ned, or have they kept the names quiet?
It is something I've read in one of their interviews, D&D didn't say who the other actors were. I suppose those had to be pretty big names ...
'Big names' don't really have to audition, it is one of the perks of being a 'big name'.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:46 AM   #78
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I'll spoil what I like.

Will dies.

Seriously though. I read the books last year and I'm only starting on the show now. If anything, the faithfulness of the adaptation, the fact that I already know what's going to happen, has been an obstacle to my enjoyment. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what's different, not what's the same.
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Old June 19 2013, 03:53 AM   #79
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I've read the books as they've come out, so while I recall the big moments, the smaller ones have faded so they're more of a surprise.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:06 PM   #80
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I will say that the comics/graphic novels that have been released based on the books seem to be a more faithful adaptation to the source material, both in story and in artwork. They aren't limited by time or by budget, and can more effectively elaborate on back-stories that are either glossed over or completely ignored in the show. The characters and settings seem to be more accurately portrayed/drawn, more closely resembling descriptions in the book. For example, Tyrion looks a lot less attractive and charismatic than Peter Dinklage, Lysa Tully-Arryn isn't super-skinny like Kate Dickie, and all the characters seem to be drawn closer to their book age than most of the actors playing them (as in, all considerably younger), especially Daenerys.

I highly recommend it for people who want more info on the world of GRRM but don't have time to read the books. It's a great compromise between the screen and written word.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:09 PM   #81
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Just finished my re-read of A Storm of Swords. Incredible book. The majority of my favourite moments in the series occur in it.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:13 PM   #82
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^^^ Mine too. It's arguably the best of the series so far. I'm hoping that Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring will get back to that inspiration Martin once had.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:17 PM   #83
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I still like AFFC and ADWD but I do agree they're a lot weaker than the masterful ACoK and ASoS. Easily my two favourite books in the series.

Though oddly, my fave season of the show is Season 1. I think it was the truest to the books.
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Old July 3 2013, 01:33 AM   #84
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I'm at page 637 now, and I thought I'd post a few random thoughts. I wanted to do that before a few times but didn't find time. If any other newbie happens to come here, spoilers ahead.

First of all, I'm really loving this book. I used to steer clear of medieval fantasy because I'm always afraid it would be all "heroic knights fighting evil overlords and rescuing damsels, and weren't olden times so romantic and wonderful" and that kind of rubbish, but I knew that Game of Thrones/Song of Ice and Fire is something completely different - brutally realistic, layered, a Medieval-type world seen through the eyes of a modern sensibility, and I won't bore you, I'm sure you've heard it all before.

I've heard about he complexity and moral ambiguity in GoT, but really, how many books can shock you with a brutal murder of a child, show the murderer laugh about it, and then make you feel some sympathy for the said murderer a few chapters later, and even kind of root for him for a moment (even if it's just against his brother who's even worse and so far portrayed as a Complete Monster)? Even though he's still an awful person, but at least he has no illusions about it.

Sansa feeling some pity for the Hound was the first interesting thing about her character. Though I'm sure things will get more interesting as she's forced to grow up and understand a few things about the world.

However, I must say I couldn't find any sympathy for Viserys. I'm sure his life wasn't easy, but he was such an annoying shithead with no appealing qualities at all. Some characters are awful people but they at least have intelligence, wit, or courage, or a sense of humor, or a certain self-awareness, and he had none. Too bad I got spoiled about his death (although not the manner of it), because it would have been even more satisfying otherwise... although I'd probably see it coming anyway, he dug his own grace.

Regarding the discussion about Tyrion, I still don't see any grounds for the claim that Tyrion is not charming in the books. Jon would disagree, for one thing. Further, Tyrion has a way with words and can make just the right promises to get the most unlikely people to help him (even if it's for something they want rather than for any special love they feel for him). And even though Bronn fought for him out of opportunism rather than loyalty, he also enjoyed Tyrion's jokes and got very pally with him even when Tyrion was still a prisoner. Yes, these people were hardly polite society but surely it takes more smarts and skill to say the right words to the people who aren't from your social class. (It seems that Tyrion may actually take after his dad in that respect, judging by Tywin's interaction with the clansmen.)

I was glad that the paternity of Cersei's kids was revealed halfway through the book rather than being dragged out for much longer, since it wasn't so difficult to figure out. Although I was less happy that Ned figured it out through some very dubious genetics. The whole thing with Baratheons dark hair overcoming Lannisters' blonde hair every time is rubbish in terms of real world genetics. But I guess you have to make up some crap when you're writing about a world with no DNA testing. Speaking of dubious genetics, how about the description of Cersei and Jaime as mirror-similar to each other, even though non-identical twins look no more similar than any other pair of siblings. But that's one of the few issues I've had with the book, which says a lot. And hey, as long as people are not devolving into lizards, it's OK.

I found it a bit frustrating that Catelyn (and Ned, begrudgingly) trusted Littlefinger so much. Yes, he was like a brother to her, but is it really wise to trust the good intentions of a guy you rejected, especially if he was obsessed with you? Not to mention that everything about Littlefinger screams "tricky".

The identity of Jon's mother is a mystery that I've been eager to learn from the start, but I didn't have any ideas before the last chapter I've read, Ned in the cell, which seems to be dropping some heavy hints. So, I figured early on that Joffrey's father was not his father and his uncle was also his father, but could it be that Jon's father is not really his father but just his uncle? It would explain a lot. Familial relations in this book can be pretty complicated, heh.
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Old July 3 2013, 09:29 AM   #85
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So, I figured early on that Joffrey's father was not his father and his uncle was also his father, but could it be that Jon's father is not really his father but just his uncle? It would explain a lot.
Well, you're certainly not alone with that theory. It's easily the most popular one amongst readers.
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