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Old June 19 2013, 01:51 AM   #31
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I haven't seen Superman yet (I'm not really into superheroes) but I'm looking forward to it.
My wife and I both thought it was a stellar movie.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:33 AM   #32
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I just saw Man of Steel, I'd hesitate to call it better written than STID.
I wouldn't, not for a moment - on at least two simple grounds: the internal logic of the plot is tighter, and the story requires less interest in or familiarity with back story from previous films or stories.

It's, I suppose, more accessible, if you like to see origin sequences that take 2.5 hours.
To most people, it's just a story. You shouldn't have to invest in the notion that there are other stories which precede and follow the one you're watching to get everything you can out of a movie.

Besides, Superman has the best origin story ever; in many ways his origin is his whole story. All the stuff that comes later is kind of tougher to get involved in.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:38 AM   #33
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Star Trek has a stigma attached to it. It's just not "cool"
One might say the same thing about superhero comic books. But movies based on those comic books often perform extremely well.
Not really--that's more comedian routine than truth, as superheroes--whether on TV or the big screen--appealed to more than the comic fan demographic. Going back several decades, the Batmania that swept the U.S. (and beyond) in the 60s did not happen based on comic readers. The general public turned that TV series into a phenomenon. Similarly, the Donner Superman movies, Burton & Nolan's take on Batman, Raimi's Spider-Man films or The Avengers were all massive hits, thanks to a public that did not have the "uncool" stigma in their minds regarding people in tights fighting crime.

To the OP's question, a counter question: if audiences pass on nuTrek, but run to superhero films, what is nuTrek missing?
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Old June 19 2013, 03:07 AM   #34
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Funny, die-hard Superman fans seem to hate Man of Steel just as much as some die-hard Trek fans hate Abrams Trek. Maybe more.
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Old June 19 2013, 03:10 AM   #35
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Funny, die-hard Superman fans seem to hate Man of Steel just as much as some die-hard Trek fans hate Abrams Trek.
And just as with Star Trek it's a pretty tiny minority of fans who dislike it.
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Old June 19 2013, 04:53 AM   #36
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I really disagree, I find Superman's origin beyond boring. All you need to know is that he's an alien, his homeworld blew up, and he survived and was raised by nice folks on Earth. The countless interpretations of it, with Jor-El as a quasi action hero or as a hologram that never stops bothering his son drive me nuts.
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Old June 19 2013, 04:55 AM   #37
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"To the OP's question, a counter question: if audiences pass on nuTrek, but run to superhero films, what is nuTrek missing?"

I'm not sure, but, hazarding a guess, I think comics speak to a younger/wider demo because they are perceived (often correctly), to be a little flashier, faster, and action packed. I love Abrams Trek, but I think a lot of potential moviegoers still think of like, Undiscovered Country (which I like, but recognize is not for everyone), where you have Federation Council people debating interstellar politics.
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Old June 19 2013, 05:20 AM   #38
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All the reasons given in this thread could be the truth, but in my honest opinion, STiD's blunder was in the marketing campaign. And of course, to make the villain a no name guy with a surprise that was already guessed out two years ago was a big fucking mistake. It is certainly embarassing STiD is running out of fumes before reaching $500M yet Iron Man and MoS (will) easily make 1B.
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Old June 19 2013, 09:27 AM   #39
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Not really--that's more comedian routine than truth, as superheroes--whether on TV or the big screen--appealed to more than the comic fan demographic.
I said superhero comic books were considered "just not 'cool'", not superheroes themselves.

Going back several decades, the Batmania that swept the U.S. (and beyond) in the 60s did not happen based on comic readers.
Exactly.
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Old June 19 2013, 09:45 AM   #40
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Super hero movies have millions of children begging to go see them. I don't think Star Trek has that going for them (although I did as a youngster).
I think there maybe something to this. My friends who have young kids have seen Iron Man mainly because the kids wanted to see it. Star Wars does well with the kiddies too. Trek audience seem to be older, over 70% of the moviegoers in the opening weekend of STID were over 25 years old.
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Old June 19 2013, 09:46 AM   #41
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This is why we need Teenage Augment Ninja Starfleet as our next series.
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Old June 19 2013, 10:38 AM   #42
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I really disagree, I find Superman's origin beyond boring. All you need to know is that he's an alien, his homeworld blew up, and he survived and was raised by nice folks on Earth. The countless interpretations of it, with Jor-El as a quasi action hero or as a hologram that never stops bothering his son drive me nuts.
Similarily, all you need to know about Star Trek is that there's a ship called Enterprise with a guy with pointed ears on board who acts like a computer.
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Old June 19 2013, 11:53 AM   #43
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I thought Man of Steel was absolutely mind-numbing. I definitely wouldn't say it has a better plot than Into Darkness - because I'm not sure it had a plot at all. Just lots of things went boom very loudly for 2 and a half hours. Was like watching Bad Boys 2 all over again - but without the humour.
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Old June 19 2013, 12:08 PM   #44
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You must've gotten an edited version of the movie in your theatre, then.
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Old June 19 2013, 12:11 PM   #45
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You must've gotten an edited version of the movie in your theatre, then.
I wish
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