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Old June 19 2013, 02:14 AM   #136
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Not sure what to make of that either. He makes it sound like he independently discovered proof that these episodes exist. How on earth would he be able to do that?
Look at this one: "Right now I'm holding on to the proof + not leaking it publicly. But I assure you I have proof of 3 tons of film cans arriving"

He may have shipping manifests, inventory logs, that sort of thing, that shows that the BBC took possession of 3 tons of film cannisters in 2011. In short, documentation that the cannisters physically exist. No, that doesn't tell him what's in them, unless he's been given other details.
The fact that they supposedly arrived in 2011 really makes me question this. No way it takes the BBC that long to catalog what they received. No way.

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Must they have taken them into possesion at the beginning of the Rumor? (Did the Tweet specifically say the 3 tons arrived at BBC possession in 2011?) Couldn't they have made assumptions at the beginning of the rumor, and took possesion in mid-late 2012, and are now deciding what to do exactly on the roadmap with all the now cataloged finds (Remember, it's not just Doctor Who, but, many other treasures that have been lost as well. Though they all likely have their own teams, someone's gotta strategize the all encompassing roadmap)
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Old June 19 2013, 02:23 AM   #137
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^ From one of Ian's tweets:

"Just three serials is a bad joke.There are literally three tons of film cans and that's just from 2011. I have the actual proof"

It almost sounds like more arrive later, which could mean there wasn't time to catalog all of it. It could also mean that Ian only has evidence for the 3 tons in 2011 but thinks there could be more (but no evidence of it).

It's all pretty unclear but Ian thinks he has proof that 3 tons arrived in 2011. Those 3 tons are linked to the 90 episodes. Those would be fully cataloged by now even if they arrived Dec 31, 2011.

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Old June 19 2013, 02:30 AM   #138
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Re: Rumors of a Special Surprise for the Anniversary

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Right. I disbelieve rumors as a rule, but I really, really wished this could be true somehow and I feel disappointed to hear that it's probably untrue, even though that's what I assumed all along.
This describes me exactly. Although now with Ian Levine and his 3 tons of evidence statement, who knows! Holy cow this has been a wild ride.

It's still hard to believe . . . yet disappointing if not true.

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Now see, the Rumor reporting was clearly labeled "Rumor". Levine has now pasted "I have evidence" on top of the original Rumor. Now that is worthy of backlash if not true (at least he must have some proof that would give him this confidence, if it turns out the rumor is not true)
Worthy of backlash, yes, but remember Ian Levine is just a fan with a Twitter account. He's not a reporter, not even a paid blogger. Just a guy with a keyboard and internet connection.

Not saying that makes it alright, just saying he's in a different position from Rich Johnson.

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Look at this one: "Right now I'm holding on to the proof + not leaking it publicly. But I assure you I have proof of 3 tons of film cans arriving"

He may have shipping manifests, inventory logs, that sort of thing, that shows that the BBC took possession of 3 tons of film cannisters in 2011. In short, documentation that the cannisters physically exist. No, that doesn't tell him what's in them, unless he's been given other details.
The fact that they supposedly arrived in 2011 really makes me question this. No way it takes the BBC that long to catalog what they received. No way.

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Must they have taken them into possesion at the beginning of the Rumor? (Did the Tweet specifically say the 3 tons arrived at BBC possession in 2011?)
All he says is the "3 tons proof is from 2011." Who knows if that's when the proof first showed up or when the 8,000 cans were actually retrieved. Either way, that's a lot of films to go through, and depending on the quality, one would have to be very careful with each of them. I can see that being a very time consuming process.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:35 AM   #139
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So lets join the dots:

8000 films in a shipment arrive at the BBC in 2011, apparently containing (at least) 90 episodes of Doctor Who, source unknown.

Somehow an African engineer gets mixed up in all this.

The Tenth Planet (sold to Australia, New Zealand and Singapore) and The Evil of the Daleks (sold to Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Hong Kong) are mentioned by name. Neither of these stories reached Africa.

Mission, Master Plan, Warriors, Invasion and two episodes from Wheel are still missing (with the exception of the Hartnell stories - although Mission is may have - the others all went to Singapore).

Add to this:

Anneke Wills (Polly) is hushed by a minder after starting to talk about The Power of the Daleks (which screened in Singapore).

Despite being found nearly two years ago, The Underwater Menace 2 hasn't been released yet. Are we waiting on the remaining two missing installments to be announced...? (also went to Singapore).

My guess:

The Singaporean shipment finally made it home to the BBC, 40 years after setting sail on the Flying Dutchman.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:41 AM   #140
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The other thread is doing better than this one.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=216712

Mods maybe close this one?
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Old June 19 2013, 02:43 AM   #141
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If they got the canisters in 2011, the Doctor Who Restoration Team would have to be going 24/7/365 to have any of them cleaned up and video-ready by this November, and that's on top of all the other existing episodes they've been working on up to this point. Of those episodes, if I were in their shoes, I'd be giving Marco Polo and Power of the Daleks priority to be restored and released first (Evil of the Daleks too IF there was enough time/room to work on it).
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Old June 19 2013, 02:43 AM   #142
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I've never seen the African Engineer being reported in the Rumor, only BBS posters like the 3 or 4 in this thread I've noticed mention him, are there any details other than African Engineer?

Is he an Engineer that got them in Africa, or is he of African descent, and was on another Continent entirely when he obtained them? (Is that the African Continent or South Africa the Country) Or maybe, Somali Pirates hijacked the boat?
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Old June 19 2013, 02:52 AM   #143
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I've never seen the African Engineer being reported in the Rumor
You might want to take another look at the original Bleeding Cool article then:
...some of it is attributed to an eccentric engineer who worked for broadcasters across Africa with a taste for science fiction and a habit of taking things for “safe keeping”
I don't think any other details than that have been mentioned about this ridiculous part of the whole ridiculous situation.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:52 AM   #144
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Anneke Wills (Polly) is hushed by a minder after starting to talk about The Power of the Daleks (which screened in Singapore).
I've seen small snippets about this over at GallifreyBase but I'm not entirely clear what this is about. Can elaborate? Also, what do you mean by "minder?"
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Old June 19 2013, 02:53 AM   #145
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Re: Rumors of a Special Surprise for the Anniversary

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Anneke Wills (Polly) is hushed by a minder after starting to talk about The Power of the Daleks (which screened in Singapore).
I've seen small snippets about this over at GallifreyBase but I'm not entirely clear what this is about. Can elaborate? Also, what do you mean by "minder?"
From what I understand, she posted something on her website about having recorded commentaries for Power and Moonbase, shortly before the latter was announced for DVD.
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Old June 19 2013, 02:56 AM   #146
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Thanks Brendan Moody, I missed or forgot that part
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Old June 19 2013, 02:57 AM   #147
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Anneke Wills (Polly) is hushed by a minder after starting to talk about The Power of the Daleks (which screened in Singapore).
I've seen small snippets about this over at GallifreyBase but I'm not entirely clear what this is about. Can elaborate? Also, what do you mean by "minder?"
http://missingepisodes.proboards.com/thread/7928

Reading through this again it does put things in a very interesting light...

My mate has just reiterated conversation: apparently, he said how great it was that Underwater Menace, episode two, had come back, as her era was so badly represented in the archives. She said, 'Well, there is more to come.' At which point, minder says, 'I don't think you should be talking about that.' At which point, my mate said, 'Any clues?' And as the bouncer moved her on, she whispered, 'Power of the Daleks,' to him.
I personally think this was a bit iffy and never believed it, but in light of Ian Levine's comments...
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Old June 19 2013, 03:00 AM   #148
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Anneke Wills (Polly) is hushed by a minder after starting to talk about The Power of the Daleks (which screened in Singapore).
I've seen small snippets about this over at GallifreyBase but I'm not entirely clear what this is about. Can elaborate? Also, what do you mean by "minder?"
http://missingepisodes.proboards.com/thread/7928

Reading through this again it does put things in a very interesting light...

My mate has just reiterated conversation: apparently, he said how great it was that Underwater Menace, episode two, had come back, as her era was so badly represented in the archives. She said, 'Well, there is more to come.' At which point, minder says, 'I don't think you should be talking about that.' At which point, my mate said, 'Any clues?' And as the bouncer moved her on, she whispered, 'Power of the Daleks,' to him.
I personally think this was a bit iffy and never believed it, but in light of Ian Levine's comments...
Oh, wow, I missed that! I saw the stuff about Moonbase and I guess I put the two together in my head. My bad.
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Another Bleeding Cool update: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/...ee-tons-worth/

Whatever the end result may be, it's beyond clear that lots of elaborate theories have been built on disconnected, third-and-fourth-hand gossip and speculation.
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Old June 19 2013, 03:02 AM   #150
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It does place the BBC in an awkward position; if something has been found - and I'm still keeping one eye on the door just in case - something of this magnitude is clearly meant for the Anniversary in November.

Shutting people up or down now in June, a good five months before the anniversary, is gonna make things hard to keep quiet if something truly is coming.

Tomorrow when Ian wakes up should make for an interesting day...

It depends though, a secret DVD release of one of these stories would still have to be available publicly for clearance purposes - so they would have to announce it anyway ahead of time.
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