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Old June 18 2013, 04:24 PM   #1
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Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoilers

This question is perplexing me. Taking into account US & International sales, Iron Man did $1B+ & Man Of Steel appears on its way to $1B. STID did $400m, clearly a hit but not in the same league as the other two.

How is this possible? I can't imagine someone saying "I'm into action heroes but not into Star Trek", but apparently this is happening. Looking further @ rotten tomatoes, STID did better on the tomatometer, so its not like the movie s*cked. Even if some of the core fan base was alienated by the rehashing of TWOK, it doesn't account for the absence of the mass market.

So what do people think is happening?
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Old June 18 2013, 04:26 PM   #2
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Star Trek has a stigma attached to it. It's just not "cool"
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Old June 18 2013, 04:35 PM   #3
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Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

I think it's just a case that Star Trek is not as popular as Trekkies think it is. Sure, the Abramsverse movies reinvigorated it (and then some) as a movie franchise, but they're still not a must-see thing for many non-Trekkies like Man of Steel, Iron Man 3, and Fast & The Furious 6. Still, that doesn't take away from Star Trek XII being a successful movie in its own right and potentially the biggest ever among Trek movies.
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Old June 18 2013, 04:37 PM   #4
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Superman remains, like Mickey Mouse, tremendously better known around the world than Star Trek - actually, tremendously better known just in the U.S. proper.

Man Of Steel is also a more accessible, better written movie than STID, which no doubt helped in what was a more effective marketing campaign than the Trek movie had.
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Old June 18 2013, 04:46 PM   #5
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I have never watched any Harry Potter movies because it does not appeal to me.... so I guess many people have the same point of view about Star Trek.
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Old June 18 2013, 05:05 PM   #6
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Star Trek has a stigma attached to it. It's just not "cool"
One might say the same thing about superhero comic books. But movies based on those comic books often perform extremely well.
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Old June 18 2013, 05:39 PM   #7
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Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

I think if STID had come out in 2011 (like it should have), we would be seeing totally different numbers... The 4 year gap was way too long for a film that 'only' made 257m. It should have been followed up a lot sooner, and it might have been the mega-hit I was hoping for...
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Old June 18 2013, 06:04 PM   #8
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Spoilers for MoS and STID to follow...









Very puzzling, especially given the fact MoS also rehashes a villain with previous big screen exposure.

Or, maybe not so puzzling, if we're willing to at least consider the possibility MoS rehashes Zod in a better way than ID rehashes Khan? *slaps self for even thinking such blasphemy*

Would taking the time to fill in all the Khan back-story, even if they totally retconned it, made it longer to compensate that time taken, have better resonated with audiences the way MoS seems to be doing?
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Old June 18 2013, 06:14 PM   #9
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Iron Man 3 has good A-list actors and is a little bit more grounded in terms of sci-fi. It doesn't have as much stigma to get over.
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Old June 18 2013, 07:35 PM   #10
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Sorry, somebody had to say it...
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Old June 18 2013, 07:43 PM   #11
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No. It wasn't necessary for anyone to trot out that lame, four year-old joke at all.
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Old June 18 2013, 07:59 PM   #12
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To the GA, Star Trek movies come out every two minutes. Iron Man 3 benefited from all The Avengers goodwill.
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Old June 18 2013, 08:41 PM   #13
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These are all pretty reasonable factors.

I hope (probably in vain) that some suit in Paramount won't say "We left $600m on the table with STID vs IM3 or MoS, and therefore we can't count on it for a summer tentpole", leading to serious budget cuts and a probable Holiday Season release for the next movie. Don't care too much about the release date but I'd worry about the budget cuts w/r/t production values.

I doubt that another movie is off the table.

Interesting the production team has been quiet since opening weekend. I think they're in a state of shock.
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Old June 18 2013, 09:36 PM   #14
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Bones wrote: View Post
These are all pretty reasonable factors.

I hope (probably in vain) that some suit in Paramount won't say "We left $600m on the table with STID vs IM3 or MoS, and therefore we can't count on it for a summer tentpole", leading to serious budget cuts and a probable Holiday Season release for the next movie. Don't care too much about the release date but I'd worry about the budget cuts w/r/t production values.

I doubt that another movie is off the table.
I wouldn't worry too much about Star Trek XIII. Ultimately, Star Trek XII will do better than Star Trek XI once everything is counted (it's already looking that way now). If there is a reduction in budget for the next movie, we probably won't notice unless it's like half or something.
Interesting the production team has been quiet since opening weekend. I think they're in a state of shock.

I don't know why they would be. They probably just moved on to other projects.
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Old June 18 2013, 09:46 PM   #15
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So what do people think is happening?
I would simply guess that people prefer one type of movie to the other.

But Buzzkill said it best.

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Lens flares.

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