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View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 28 11.16%
A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
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D 10 3.98%
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Old June 18 2013, 03:17 PM   #391
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^And yet, after meeting numerous flying Kryptonians, smallville Clark never managed to pick it up until the last 5 minutes of the show.
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Old June 18 2013, 03:26 PM   #392
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I gave the movie an A-. It's not without its flaws (the gratuitous destruction makes me worry a bit about Snyder's penchance for style over substance) but I enjoyed it overall. I even liked parts of Zimmer's score and how the sparse instrumentation and percussion helps build up the setting. Bring on the sequel, whether or not it involves another member or 2 of the JL!
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Old June 18 2013, 03:31 PM   #393
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Clark Kent on Smallville was definitely retarded and that's why he couldn't fly even though every other Kryptonian could fly after having spent MINUTES on Earth.
I just think he never even tried. I don't think it would occur to anyone - alien or not - that they could fly.
Except the numerous times he himself flew, including when he woke up floating in the pilot episode, or met Krytponians who could fly.
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Old June 18 2013, 03:37 PM   #394
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Yeah, it was pretty unbelievable that Clark wasn't flying on Smallville.
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Old June 18 2013, 03:38 PM   #395
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I didn't say the act was consequence free, I just felt it needed to be pointed out that in some cases even Superman feels lethal force is justified.
The thing that needs to be taken, and people forget, is that Superman was devastated when he (actively) killed. He broke down, yelled and wept. He didn't shrug it off it DID impact him. I think that should be taken into consideration.

This isn't like in Batman Begins where Batman tells Ra's, "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you." and just leaves him to die in a train crash without so much as a second thought (Batman who DOES have a well established code of not killing.) Superman killed and it effected him we SEE that. He doesn't shrug it off and he had little other choice. I mean what COULD be done with Zod if he lived?

Batman killed a man who could've simply been captured and imprisoned. Batman. A man who (in comics) once saved the Joker's life when he was mortally wounded and needed to get to the hospital.

I've no problem with Superman killing in this movie because of how it was handled, it wasn't shrugged off.
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Old June 18 2013, 03:42 PM   #396
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I didn't say the act was consequence free, I just felt it needed to be pointed out that in some cases even Superman feels lethal force is justified.
The thing that needs to be taken, and people forget, is that Superman was devastated when he (actively) killed. He broke down, yelled and wept. He didn't shrug it off it DID impact him. I think that should be taken into consideration.
Absolutely. You could totally see him struggling to find another way to stop Zod from frying innocent people and only when he saw no way out did he resort to killing him, and as you pointed out, it really tore him up.
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Old June 18 2013, 03:45 PM   #397
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What that scene makes clear is that the instant Zod breaks Clark's hold on him a lot more people will die immediately.
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Old June 18 2013, 03:51 PM   #398
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Yeah, it was pretty unbelievable that Clark wasn't flying on Smallville.
IIRC it was implied that Clark couldn't fly because he was still letting his human side/ties to Earth ground him. It's sort of like flying in Never Never Land you need to center yourself and find a happy thought. Clark wasn't able to achieve this until the end when he has to muster up everything he had to save Earth.
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Old June 18 2013, 04:01 PM   #399
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Superman/Clark is a script puppet in the killing scene, which is General Zod's suicide by cop. Even as I watched it, it was obvious that it was just tacked on because Nolan/Snyder think that sort of thing is fun. It didn't bother me much because basically I wasn't taking it seriously (in a getting into the story sense.) I was taken out of the story the moment Zod reappeared as if by magic.

I didn't find Superman killing entertaining myself, so I readily concede that those who weren't distanced at that point could find the movie as a whole to fail. Rating a story without taking into account the ending is pretty much a professional TV critic prerogative.

The Kents knew the damn dog could be saved, which explains why they were unrealistically concerned to make the effort. The real plot shortcoming is, as somebody noted upthread, the notion that an underpass is a tornado shelter.

That said, Martha Kent had no guilt for urging Clark to save the dog, for not telling Clark to save her husband or for not affirming the decision to Clark afterward. In short, she basically did not function as a human being. This is typically Nolan of the past. But I believe an essential aspect of criticism is to acknowledge the positive as well. Lois Lane was a real woman character. Having at least one is a great improvement on Nolan's previous work!
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Old June 18 2013, 04:10 PM   #400
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Superman/Clark is a script puppet in the killing scene, which is General Zod's suicide by cop.
No.
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Old June 18 2013, 04:36 PM   #401
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Clark Kent on Smallville was definitely retarded and that's why he couldn't fly even though every other Kryptonian could fly after having spent MINUTES on Earth.
I just think he never even tried. I don't think it would occur to anyone - alien or not - that they could fly.
Except the numerous times he himself flew, including when he woke up floating in the pilot episode, or met Krytponians who could fly.
I read it as Clark IN Smallville as in referring to the movie version. My fault.
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Old June 18 2013, 04:49 PM   #402
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There's some confusion on another forum I visit over what happend to all the various Kryptonian ships.

As near as could tell, there was baby Clark's ship, the scout ship in the Arctic and Zod's ship (which contained a couple of drop ships and the world engine).

My impression was that the Arctic scout ship is still sat around in Arctic at the end but others claim that Zod stole it and that was the ship that Clark destroyed with his laser eyes...
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Old June 18 2013, 04:55 PM   #403
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Yup. Zod stole it and that is indeed the ship Clark destroyed.
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Old June 18 2013, 04:59 PM   #404
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Correct. That was the ship that contained the Genesis Arc (or whatever it was called). That's why Zod became so desperately evil at the end; Clark had completely destroyed any chance Zod had of rebuilding Krypton.
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Old June 18 2013, 05:05 PM   #405
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Maybe fun for later, but who was in the opened stasis pod? They showed the one corpse in the closed pod, but right after that there was a pod on the opposite side that was opened...
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