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Old June 18 2013, 06:14 AM   #361
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Just saw it and loved it. I've been skimming this thread and lot of people seem to be chanting "Superman never kills" like it's some kind of mantra, but Byrne had Superman execute three Kryptonions all the way back in 1988 in Superman # 22 (Vol. 2).
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Old June 18 2013, 06:22 AM   #362
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And he was so fucked up over that that he exiled himself into space which opened a can of worms with Mongul. If Superman could have just gotten over himself, owned what he did, Coast City would have been fine and Hal Jordan would not have decimated the Green Lantern Corps.
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Old June 18 2013, 06:26 AM   #363
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I was thinking that these super hero movies keep looking more and more like Godzilla movies, minus the rubber suits and models of course, and that series came about as a result of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Seeing it again (and even the first time), I had to chuckle a bit at Jor-El's "You can save all of them" line to Kal. Yeah... about that, dad. It's a nice sentiment, but I think you meant "most of them". Some of them are going to get crushed pretty badly.
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Old June 18 2013, 06:26 AM   #364
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I didn't say the act was consequence free, I just felt it needed to be pointed out that in some cases even Superman feels lethal force is justified.
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Old June 18 2013, 06:47 AM   #365
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Seeing it again (and even the first time), I had to chuckle a bit at Jor-El's "You can save all of them" line to Kal. Yeah... about that, dad. It's a nice sentiment, but I think you meant "most of them". Some of them are going to get crushed pretty badly.
On a planet with a population of seven billion threatened with complete extinction, if ten thousand died he saved 99.9999% of them. You're selling it pretty short by describing it merely as "most of them."
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Old June 18 2013, 06:50 AM   #366
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That Superman was a couple reboots ago.

I think the current "Kal-El" since the New 52, is more pragmatic, not that I can think of any situation where he's cited that he will never kill when it looked like a realistic option, because %100 percent of the story telling so far has been disposable drenn.

Hellespont, who seems a little more powerful than Superman, as well as being the Emperor of the Daemonite Empire was being troublesome recently. You're not going to stop something like that with out a catastrophic loss of life.
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Old June 18 2013, 06:51 AM   #367
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Seeing it again (and even the first time), I had to chuckle a bit at Jor-El's "You can save all of them" line to Kal. Yeah... about that, dad. It's a nice sentiment, but I think you meant "most of them". Some of them are going to get crushed pretty badly.
On a planet with a population of seven billion threatened with complete extinction, if ten thousand died he saved 99.9999% of them. You're selling it pretty short by describing it merely as "most of them."
You're counting nonAmericans.
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Old June 18 2013, 06:53 AM   #368
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Just saw it and loved it. I've been skimming this thread and lot of people seem to be chanting "Superman never kills" like it's some kind of mantra, but Byrne had Superman execute three Kryptonions all the way back in 1988 in Superman # 22 (Vol. 2).
Plus, Superman presumably killed the depowered Zod, Ursa, and Non in Superman II when he threw them down in the ice pits.
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Old June 18 2013, 08:02 AM   #369
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Old June 18 2013, 08:20 AM   #370
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And he was so fucked up over that that he exiled himself into space which opened a can of worms with Mongul. If Superman could have just gotten over himself, owned what he did, Coast City would have been fine and Hal Jordan would not have decimated the Green Lantern Corps.
Guy I think you have confused things. Coast City was destroyed post-Superman vs Doomsday. Supes was dead at the time and everyone believed the Cyborg Superman was the real one. Cyborg Supes blasted through the Eradicator and decimated Coast City. Which lead to Hal Jordan going mad with grief and becoming Parallax.
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Old June 18 2013, 08:36 AM   #371
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Just saw it. I was waiting for someone to say "One shall stand, one shall fall" at the end, and for Starscream to come down and kick ass. At least he's not as boring or as childish as Shannon's take on Zod.
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Old June 18 2013, 08:53 AM   #372
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Just saw it and loved it. I've been skimming this thread and lot of people seem to be chanting "Superman never kills" like it's some kind of mantra, but Byrne had Superman execute three Kryptonions all the way back in 1988 in Superman # 22 (Vol. 2).
Plus, Superman presumably killed the depowered Zod, Ursa, and Non in Superman II when he threw them down in the ice pits.
Actually, I think Superman kills Zod, Non accidentally kills himself, and Lois kills Ursa. It's a helluva day in the Fortress of Solitude!
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Old June 18 2013, 09:35 AM   #373
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Just saw it and loved it. I've been skimming this thread and lot of people seem to be chanting "Superman never kills" like it's some kind of mantra, but Byrne had Superman execute three Kryptonions all the way back in 1988 in Superman # 22 (Vol. 2).
Plus, Superman presumably killed the depowered Zod, Ursa, and Non in Superman II when he threw them down in the ice pits.
A deleted scene shows the arctic police taking Luthor and the depowered Kryptonians away, alive and in custody. If the bottom of the pits are covered in deep snow, their survival is plausible.

Even if we assume they died, he didn't kill Ursa.
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Old June 18 2013, 09:38 AM   #374
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Just saw it and loved it. I've been skimming this thread and lot of people seem to be chanting "Superman never kills" like it's some kind of mantra, but Byrne had Superman execute three Kryptonions all the way back in 1988 in Superman # 22 (Vol. 2).
Plus, Superman presumably killed the depowered Zod, Ursa, and Non in Superman II when he threw them down in the ice pits.
A deleted scene shows the arctic police taking Luthor and the depowered Kryptonians away (alive and in custody). If the bottom of the pits are covered in deep snow, their survival is plausible.

Even if we assume they died, he didn't kill Ursa.
Deleted scene is deleted. With nothing else to think, we are led to the default interpretation that they are all three KIA.
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Old June 18 2013, 09:49 AM   #375
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Ack! I didn't see that you beat me to the comment about not killing Ursa.

I do think he's responsible for Non. He saw what was about to happen and from his position could easily have saved him, but he just stood there and smirked.

Deleted scene is deleted.
It's un-deleted in the ADigitalMan cut. Though not an official release, it's my favorite version of the film.
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