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Old June 17 2013, 02:34 PM   #61
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Re: Does Data have a soul?

The real questions are, does B-4 have one? and if so, does he now possess both is and Data's?

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Old June 17 2013, 03:06 PM   #62
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Re: Does Data have a soul?

Data surely doesn't have a soul. That is, if by 'soul' you're referring to an immaterial part of his essence that will survive his physical death. Dr. Soong was brilliant, but I doubt he could have created a soul for Data.
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Old June 17 2013, 03:54 PM   #63
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Re: Does Data have a soul?

In my opinion, yes, Data has a soul. And no, B-4 does not have Data's soul too now. He has his own.
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Old June 17 2013, 04:41 PM   #64
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No, Data no more has a soul than anyone else does.
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Old June 17 2013, 04:50 PM   #65
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No, Data no more has a soul than anyone else does.
What proof do you have to support your position?
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Old June 17 2013, 05:32 PM   #66
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No, Data no more has a soul than anyone else does.
What proof do you have to support your position?
He's Admiral Buzzkill, what do you expect. Despite numerous examples provided in this thread alone of people having some sort of lifeforce that carries their personality and consciousness. In the Star Trek universe.
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Old June 17 2013, 07:47 PM   #67
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Re: Does Data have a soul?

Traditionally the burden of proof is on stating something -does- exist, not that it doesn't.
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Old June 17 2013, 08:13 PM   #68
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Also I don't see the Bajorans as being portrayed as universally religious fanatics.

Kai Winn in In The Hands Of The Prophets wasn't insisting on religion in education because she believed it, it was because she thought it'd score political points. Which describes pretty much every red state politician there is in the US, they use religion to pander to the cash-shelling hyper-religious minority.

We have seen very religious Bajorans, but we've also met a Bajoran atheist (Ro), and although Bareil was a religious figure he was a secularist.
Teaching religon as a whole is not wrong, it is only wrong if they are trying to teach religious beliefs as part of science fact (as we understand it today).

People want to believe the Earth is only 6000 years old, or creationism, intelligent design etc.. fine, but keep it in religious classes not science classes.
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Old June 17 2013, 08:26 PM   #69
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Re: Does Data have a soul?

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One thing the storyline with Data forgot is that whenever you hit his off switch, he's completely off. Switch him back on, he's conscious again, like a computer.

Same thing with the Doctor on VOY and he had much more emotional expression than Data.
Ah, but is that death?

Then again, issues of death become odd since we had humans dead for 200 years revived.
That's true, but at what point after Data is shut down does his essence or "neural energy" leaves his positronic net and go to some afterlife that everybody else goes to?

Does he even have "neural energy" because his brain is mechanical??

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... it's worth noting that even Picard, the poster boy for Roddenberry's latter-day vision of Trek, seemed to believe in a higher power, though one that didn't necessarily conform to a specific religion. He discussed this in "Where Silence Has Lease":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZocvTsi5Rg
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And many other examples. Trek seems to pick and choose depending on the story they want to tell.
Does anyone ever get the feeling that Trek wants its cake and to eat it too? It's like Trek is basically atheist and materialist, but wants there to be a higher power, but can't admit it.

Like why is it shown being so easy for alien cultures to believe in the supernatural, but so hard for the average human to even admit believing in a higher power?
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Old June 17 2013, 09:01 PM   #70
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One thing the storyline with Data forgot is that whenever you hit his off switch, he's completely off. Switch him back on, he's conscious again, like a computer.

Same thing with the Doctor on VOY and he had much more emotional expression than Data.
Ah, but is that death?

Then again, issues of death become odd since we had humans dead for 200 years revived.
That's true, but at what point after Data is shut down does his essence or "neural energy" leaves his positronic net and go to some afterlife that everybody else goes to?

Does he even have "neural energy" because his brain is mechanical??

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... it's worth noting that even Picard, the poster boy for Roddenberry's latter-day vision of Trek, seemed to believe in a higher power, though one that didn't necessarily conform to a specific religion. He discussed this in "Where Silence Has Lease":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZocvTsi5Rg
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And many other examples. Trek seems to pick and choose depending on the story they want to tell.
Does anyone ever get the feeling that Trek wants its cake and to eat it too? It's like Trek is basically atheist and materialist, but wants there to be a higher power, but can't admit it.

Like why is it shown being so easy for alien cultures to believe in the supernatural, but so hard for the average human to even admit believing in a higher power?
Peer pressure from people, such as appearing in this thread.
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Old June 17 2013, 10:45 PM   #71
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when Neelix dies for 16 hours and is resurrected feels a loss that he didn't end up under that great tree in his "afterlife". That episode heavily implies there is no soul
I interpret that episode like this: The very fact that Neelix was able to be brought back is proof that he was never dead in the first place. So the only way he could have moved on to his afterlife was if he was truly dead. They brought him back, so therefore, he was never REALLY dead.
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Old June 17 2013, 10:58 PM   #72
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I interpret that episode like this: The very fact that Neelix was able to be brought back is proof that he was never dead in the first place. So the only way he could have moved on to his afterlife was if he was truly dead. They brought him back, so therefore, he was never REALLY dead.
That happens on how you define dead. If you mean "pulseless," it's possible that one could be resuscitated if help arrives quickly enough. If you mean that one's soul has passed into another realm of existence, that's another matter altogether.

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Old June 17 2013, 11:23 PM   #73
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I think Data might be in heaven right now, body and soul. He was a saint afterall.
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Old June 17 2013, 11:27 PM   #74
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^ Me too.
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Old June 17 2013, 11:28 PM   #75
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I think Data might be in heaven right now, body and soul. He was a saint afterall.
His head is buried in a mine. One copy of it anyway.

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