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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 16 2013, 09:21 PM   #166
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Re: Was the reveal of the Enterprise-A a big surprise?

I love how any thread that runs over five pages boils down to attack and counterattack.

Anyway, I was alive at the time, saw the film at the time, and it was very exciting to see the new Enterprise. But it wasn't a complete surprise. I'd already seen it for weeks on my McDonald's placemat.
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Old June 16 2013, 09:31 PM   #167
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Re: Was the reveal of the Enterprise-A a big surprise?

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Old June 17 2013, 01:21 AM   #168
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Re: Was the reveal of the Enterprise-A a big surprise?

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Nonsense. If a person makes a broad generalization, it's a broad generalization and is subject to debate if another person thinks otherwise. If a poster can't be bothered to express themselves clearly, then it's the poster's problem.
That's my point. What one person considers ugly another considers attractive.
So it's your point that ugly is automatically subjective, but I still have to make it clear that it's my opinion ? Don't you realise the contradiction ?

That's because I'm not a mind reader.
No, that's irrelevant: NO statement of that nature can be anything but subjective. You don't need to read my mind to know it's my opinion when I say "beef tastes good".
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Old June 17 2013, 01:24 AM   #169
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^This back-and-forth is becoming tiresome.

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Old June 17 2013, 03:14 AM   #170
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^This back-and-forth is becoming tiresome.
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Old June 17 2013, 06:04 AM   #171
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I would have liked something between excelsior and constitution class
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I would have liked something between excelsior and constitution class
Hard to know what that would've been. The Excelsior looked like the next step.
Maybe something like this
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/r...e-nx-1701A.jpg

http://media.moddb.com/images/games/...NX-1701-A4.jpg
Oh no, no, no. Once you get past the dish, that is just all over the place. Looping struts, secondary hull that looks like cross between a mouse and a kickstand ... nix on this NX.

Now if you throw away the dish and turn the whole thing upside down, it might work as a sister ship to the thing at the beginning of SPACEHUNTER (then again, if you do the same with EXCELSIOR, it almost looks like a just-miss take on a John Berkey style ship.)
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Old June 17 2013, 09:05 PM   #172
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Re: Was the reveal of the Enterprise-A a big surprise?

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Nonsense. If a person makes a broad generalization, it's a broad generalization and is subject to debate if another person thinks otherwise. If a poster can't be bothered to express themselves clearly, then it's the poster's problem.
That's my point. What one person considers ugly another considers attractive.
So it's your point that ugly is automatically subjective, but I still have to make it clear that it's my opinion ? Don't you realise the contradiction ?
There's no contradiction. When someone makes it clear they're presenting an opinion, it's just how they feel about something. But when someone makes a broad generalization that "this is that" and another person doesn't believe in that generalization, then that person is free to argue it. Nothing contradictory about that.

That's because I'm not a mind reader.
No, that's irrelevant:
No, it is very relevant. If a person can't be bothered to express themselves clearly, then that person has a problem, not others.
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Oh no, no, no. Once you get past the dish, that is just all over the place. Looping struts, secondary hull that looks like cross between a mouse and a kickstand ... nix on this NX.
I don't think it's all over the place. While it isn't my favorite design, I give it points for trying to be different (and not a kit-bash) back in '86 or '87 when the design was first made. I don't have a problem with curved pylons, and while the secondary hull may be more tall than long, it is kind of keeping with the Excelsior-class to some extent (I think the designer was considering it as something that came after the Excelsior-class). I've seen worse designs than this one, though.
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Old June 17 2013, 10:50 PM   #173
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No, it is very relevant. If a person can't be bothered to express themselves clearly, then that person has a problem, not others.
The problem here is simply that you think it's possible to make a statement about one's personal preferences that is objective.

"It's ugly" is a statement of personal opinion. Can't be anything else. Being clear is one's own responsibility, sure. But when something follows logically from another, it gets ridiculous to ask for a complete enunciation of all that the post implies.
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Old June 17 2013, 11:27 PM   #174
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No, it is very relevant. If a person can't be bothered to express themselves clearly, then that person has a problem, not others.
The problem here is simply that you think it's possible to make a statement about one's personal preferences that is objective.
That's not what I'm thinking at all.

"It's ugly" is a statement of personal opinion. Can't be anything else. Being clear is one's own responsibility, sure. But when something follows logically from another, it gets ridiculous to ask for a complete enunciation of all that the post implies.
I just don't agree with you.
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Old June 17 2013, 11:52 PM   #175
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Re: Was the reveal of the Enterprise-A a big surprise?

I can see that. I guess we'll have to leave it at that, because I can't think of a clearer way of explaining it.

In the interest of avoiding any future confusion with you, however, I have decided to update my signature. I hope this suits your needs at the same time as allowing me to remain lazy.
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Old June 17 2013, 11:57 PM   #176
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Somehow, I don't think this is over at all.

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Old June 18 2013, 12:12 AM   #177
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Aw, Sran. And I had made such a nice finale, here.
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Old June 18 2013, 12:16 AM   #178
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Aw, Sran. And I had made such a nice finale, here.
You did, but I remember posts exactly like it from this time last week. Yet, here we are...

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Old June 18 2013, 12:43 AM   #179
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Re: Was the reveal of the Enterprise-A a big surprise?

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No, it is very relevant. If a person can't be bothered to express themselves clearly, then that person has a problem, not others.
OTOH if someone can't grasp the concept that somebody can just be expressing an opinion even when they don't explicitly state "In my opinion..." (or lacks to reading comprehension ability to understand when this is being done) then that is their problem.

In my opinion, of course.
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Old June 18 2013, 12:45 AM   #180
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This thread wandered off into pointlessness. In my opinion.
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