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Old June 16 2013, 09:41 AM   #61
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Re: STID: 10 years later

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Do you think STID can still become the ESB of Star Trek? Remember, Empire was only commonly regarded as the greatest SW film until the '90's. In fact, it got very mixed reviews when it was first released...

How do you think STID will be regarded 10 years from now. Personally, I think the film will atain a whole new level of respect and appriciation over the coming years... Some day, people will look back and say: wow, STID was really ahead of its time...
Depending on where this goes after Abrams, I think we will look back at this as the "Dark Time" of Star Trek. Movies that won't stand the test of time.
It will be fun to ressurect this thread in 2023 and see who was right...

I think STID will be like Kill Bill. At the time, people felt it wasn't original enough, it was Tarantino on auto pilot... Nowadays, it's considered one his best... Or the score to the first Harry Potter film... Again, John Williams on auto pilot was said a lot back in 2001... Rehashes from Hook, etc. Now, more than a decade later, I think people have come to appriciate Hedwig's Theme as one of the greatest film themes of all time...

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Old June 16 2013, 10:44 AM   #62
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Depending on where this goes after Abrams, I think we will look back at this as the "Dark Time" of Star Trek. Movies that won't stand the test of time.
What do you base this prediction on, aside from the fact you (presumably) don't like it ?

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It's more than just visual cues, the scene is re-enacted to the point that when Spock ran into the engine room I half-expected there do be an elderly Chinese guy there for Spock to bump into.
Re-enacted ? That's not true. At best there are parallels and a few re-used bits of quotes but it's not like it's a shot-for-shot remake.
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Old June 16 2013, 11:01 AM   #63
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The radiation chamber scene was not a retread. It was a visual juxtaposition--something common in art.

If it was a retread, Kirk and Spock would have been properly placed in their previous roles. However, Abrams intentionally switched them around as a visual cue to nuTrek's main theme.

People argue that JJ-Trek is vapid and void of substance, but when he goes and does something rather substantive, the same people dismiss it as cheap and unoriginal.

The guy just can't win.
Can't we just post this everytime someone drags on about how the scene is 'shamelessly rehashed'..?
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Old June 16 2013, 11:25 AM   #64
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Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, probably won't stand the test of time.
Was not "Avatar" dismissed as essentially a remake of the animated "FernGully: The Last Rainforest" (1992).

Does anybody even talk about Titanic or The Matrix anymore?
Sure!
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Old June 16 2013, 12:03 PM   #65
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Only time will tell, did I enjoy STID. Yes for the most part, was I keen on the re-hash in the engine room from TWOK? No, some people would have liked it, some people dislked it. People have different tastes.

Some of the audiance for STID might never have seen TWOK, so might not be aware that the scene is a rehash when they watch it. In fact if they learn about it was they may want to watch TWOK. ISn't this a good thing expanding the fan base. So that we get more movies and potentailly another TV show at some point?
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Old June 16 2013, 12:52 PM   #66
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Was not "Avatar" dismissed as essentially a remake of the animated "FernGully: The Last Rainforest" (1992).
Or was it Pocahontas ? I forget.

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Does anybody even talk about Titanic or The Matrix anymore?
Er... yes.
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Old June 16 2013, 01:49 PM   #67
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Was not "Avatar" dismissed as essentially a remake of the animated "FernGully: The Last Rainforest" (1992).
Or was it Pocahontas ? I forget.
I think you mean Dancing with Wolves.
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Old June 16 2013, 02:23 PM   #68
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Even Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, probably won't stand the test of time. Does anybody even talk about Titanic or The Matrix anymore?
Titanic is rather different, saying the film is based upon one of the most famous ships of all time. I suspect if you go back prior to 01-09-1985 when the wreck of the Titanic was discovered it wasn't quite as famous as it is today. And besides they have been many films about the Titanic "A Night to Remember" (1958) is one of the other more famous films about the events of the Titanic.
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Old June 16 2013, 02:31 PM   #69
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Naw naw Avatar was a rehash of Star Trek INS. Only Piller wrote white people in the role of the Nav'i. Had INS had pretty blue cat people who lived in a tree. People might have been more empathetic to their plight.

Story still the same as the others named above. Evil rich white man comes to take advantage of the ethnics of a foreign land and rape their land for resources. Avatar's spectacle outweighs it's substance. Which is why it made nearly 3 billion in theatres. You forget it's a rehash story about exploitation. Since it's more adventure fantasy. The weakest films ( INS, Pocahontas, Fern Gulley) are all preachy about their plot and expect the exploitation plot to drive people for repeated viewings.
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Old June 16 2013, 02:44 PM   #70
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It will be viewed as one of the previous reboots. A decent film, but not the originals and not the current reboot (I am assuming they will be onto the third incarnation by then).

Its a Star Trek film - there's 12 already, more by ten years time. It will be viewed as just another in the series...
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Old June 16 2013, 02:59 PM   #71
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Re: STID: 10 years later

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The radiation chamber scene was not a retread. It was a visual juxtaposition--something common in art.

If it was a retread, Kirk and Spock would have been properly placed in their previous roles. However, Abrams intentionally switched them around as a visual cue to nuTrek's main theme.

People argue that JJ-Trek is vapid and void of substance, but when he goes and does something rather substantive, the same people dismiss it as cheap and unoriginal.

The guy just can't win.
Can't we just post this everytime someone drags on about how the scene is 'shamelessly rehashed'..?
Considering that whether or not the scene offered anything substantive is completely subjective, what would be the point?
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Old June 16 2013, 03:08 PM   #72
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Depending on where this goes after Abrams, I think we will look back at this as the "Dark Time" of Star Trek. Movies that won't stand the test of time.
No, that will still belong to ST V, "Insurrection", "Nemesis" and Season Two of "Enterprise".
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Old June 16 2013, 03:13 PM   #73
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If anything, it will be the opposite. I think years from now STID will be viewed as mediocre, or in the bottom tier as far as Trek movies go.
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Old June 16 2013, 03:55 PM   #74
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If anything, it will be the opposite. I think years from now STID will be viewed as mediocre, or in the bottom tier as far as Trek movies go.
When you rank all 12 ST movies for inflation-adjusted box office success/failure, "The Final Frontier", "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" always hover near the bottom. Similarly, they are usually at the bottom for popularity and professional critiques. I can't see how a film from the very top will end up at the bottom - neither this week nor in a decade's time.

STiD might be "mediocre" one day - if the next 12 films are all superior to it.

ST:TMP is probably the film that has grown on people over time. Many fans now express less dissatisfaction with it than they had on opening night, but it's always been ranked highly for inflation-adjusted box office success. And its Special Longer Edition, and its Director's Edition, won the film two waves of new appreciation.
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Old June 16 2013, 08:33 PM   #75
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If anything, it will be the opposite. I think years from now STID will be viewed as mediocre, or in the bottom tier as far as Trek movies go.
When you rank all 12 ST movies for inflation-adjusted box office success/failure, "The Final Frontier", "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" always hover near the bottom. Similarly, they are usually at the bottom for popularity and professional critiques. I can't see how a film from the very top will end up at the bottom - neither this week nor in a decade's time.

STiD might be "mediocre" one day - if the next 12 films are all superior to it.

ST:TMP is probably the film that has grown on people over time. Many fans now express less dissatisfaction with it than they had on opening night, but it's always been ranked highly for inflation-adjusted box office success. And its Special Longer Edition, and its Director's Edition, won the film two waves of new appreciation.
FC is probably the most comparable IMO; A movie that did well during its time, was generally liked, but I think is now considered just "meh" by most people these days.

I don't think STID will be remembered much by the general public. For the OP to suggest that it will be remembered like ESB is kind of ridiculous. It was just a generic summer film.

I think TWOK, and to a lesser extent TVH are the only Treks that have ever had a lasting impact in pop culture.
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