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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.20%
A 161 21.47%
A- 101 13.47%
B+ 83 11.07%
B 59 7.87%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.33%
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D 13 1.73%
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Old June 15 2013, 03:55 PM   #4246
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They didn't transport through shields in STID.
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Old June 15 2013, 10:52 PM   #4247
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If you guys are interested, I filmed this at a recent convention here in Boston. Marina Sirtis and Levar Burton are talking about Into Darkness quite candidly.
Nice to hear them be a little critical of nuTrek, but to be fair, the TNG movies pretty much ditched the whole moral/social/philosophical aspect of trek as well.

They always tried to force more action into the TNG movies and it just didn't work most of the time. The cast wasn't meant for it.
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Old June 15 2013, 11:09 PM   #4248
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I couldn't understand much of what was said by Sirtis and Burton. Is there a transcript of what they were saying?

TrekWeb.com has one of the statements from Burton on ST:ID.

http://trekweb.com/articles/2013/06/...tar-Trek.shtml

When reading this press release, I remembered what Wil Wheaton wrote,

Sigh. The whole point of Star Trek is that it’s philosophical. If you don’t want philosophical Science Fiction, there’s plenty of that for you to enjoy, but Star Trek is philosophical. Philosophy is part of Star Trek’s DNA, and if you’re given the captain’s chair, you’d better damn well respect that.
http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/50...ar-trek-is-too
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Old June 16 2013, 12:06 AM   #4249
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Berman Movie Trek was pseudo-intellectual at best.
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Old June 16 2013, 01:41 AM   #4250
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I couldn't understand much of what was said by Sirtis and Burton. Is there a transcript of what they were saying?

TrekWeb.com has one of the statements from Burton on ST:ID.

http://trekweb.com/articles/2013/06/...tar-Trek.shtml

When reading this press release, I remembered what Wil Wheaton wrote,

Sigh. The whole point of Star Trek is that itís philosophical. If you donít want philosophical Science Fiction, thereís plenty of that for you to enjoy, but Star Trek is philosophical. Philosophy is part of Star Trekís DNA, and if youíre given the captainís chair, youíd better damn well respect that.
http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/50...ar-trek-is-too
What a load of pretentious twaddle. Sheesh.
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Old June 16 2013, 02:24 AM   #4251
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I couldn't understand much of what was said by Sirtis and Burton. Is there a transcript of what they were saying?

TrekWeb.com has one of the statements from Burton on ST:ID.

http://trekweb.com/articles/2013/06/...tar-Trek.shtml

When reading this press release, I remembered what Wil Wheaton wrote,

Sigh. The whole point of Star Trek is that it’s philosophical. If you don’t want philosophical Science Fiction, there’s plenty of that for you to enjoy, but Star Trek is philosophical. Philosophy is part of Star Trek’s DNA, and if you’re given the captain’s chair, you’d better damn well respect that.
http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/50...ar-trek-is-too
What a load of pretentious twaddle. Sheesh.
I haven't listened to Burton's remarks (nor do I really care to), but in regards to the Jon Stewart interview in the Wil Wheaton link, I do have to admit that there are times (and that interview was one of them) when I wish JJ Abrams would just shut up about how much of a non-fan of Star Trek he was.

Not that you're obligated to be a fan to be a good director. Some of the best Trek writers and directors have not been fans at all, and some of the worst have been huge fans, so it's no guarantee of quality. Nor do I want him to lie and pretend to be something he's not. But you don't have to place sooooo much emphasis on the fact that you weren't a fan and bring it up on your own in every other interview you do. It's kind of bad PR and rubbing it in --especially when his direction is such a divisive issue among certain fans.

Also, while Star Trek is a lot less philosophical than some fans build it to be in their heads (it certainly has its moments, but most of the time it's pretty basic space opera), going into interviews and essentially saying "Star Trek was too thoughtful for me" (admittedly when he was a kid, but he's still talking about it now) is not really a great move when one of the primary fan criticisms of your direction is that you've made the films too shallow and focused on style over substance.

Ironically, I think this film has plenty of depth to it and philosophical moments/themes (I know many disagree), so it was strange to me to see him emphasize that when it's not really what the film was about. Of course, like he says, it was a collaboration between him and the writers (who were Trek fans and did like some of the more intellectual stuff) and they each brought their own perspective to the table and combined their talents to balance things out between more accessible action and more intellectual drama.
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Old June 16 2013, 02:56 AM   #4252
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When reading this press release, I remembered what Wil Wheaton wrote,

Sigh. The whole point of Star Trek is that itís philosophical. If you donít want philosophical Science Fiction, thereís plenty of that for you to enjoy, but Star Trek is philosophical. Philosophy is part of Star Trekís DNA, and if youíre given the captainís chair, youíd better damn well respect that.
http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/50...ar-trek-is-too
Copy/pasting from the previous thread in which Wheaton's remarks were mentioned:
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JJ Abrams has admitted that he found Star Trek to be too philosophical for him. Wheaton remarked,

Sigh. The whole point of Star Trek is that itís philosophical. If you donít want philosophical Science Fiction, thereís plenty of that for you to enjoy, but Star Trek is philosophical. Philosophy is part of Star Trekís DNA, and if youíre given the captainís chair, youíd better damn well respect that.
http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/50...ar-trek-is-too
And then, one day later, Wheaton went on to say:
A lot of people have pointed out to me that, if you watch the entire JJ Abrams interview with Jon Stewart, he goes on to talk about how much he came to love Star Trek as an adult, and that the viewer is left with the impression that he truly gets what Star Trek is about.

I didnít watch the whole interview, but just saw the gifset that I reblogged. I stand by what I said: the whole point of Star Trek is that itís about more than aliens and robots and cool space battles. Star Trek is unique in science fiction ó certainly science fiction on television in the 1960s ó in that it was always about something more than phasers and transporters and Captain Kirk using his fists and his wits to defeat hostile aliens before he nailed the green alien lady of the week.

When I worked on JJís first Trek movie, I got the impression that he genuinely loved Star Trek, and really got what it was all about. I should have watched the entire interview before I pulled out my Jump To Conclusions mat, and I regret that I didnít. I hope anyone who was upset at me or drew the same erroneous conclusion I did understands that I care deeply about Star Trek, and sometimes my heart gets ahead of my brain where itís concerned.
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Old June 16 2013, 03:25 AM   #4253
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Because that one episode where Wesley gets sauced to the gills and commandeers the Enterprise is just oozing with profound wisdom and ideology...
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Old June 16 2013, 04:40 AM   #4254
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...saying "Star Trek was too thoughtful for me" (admittedly when he was a kid, but he's still talking about it now) is not really a great move when one of the primary fan criticisms of your direction is that you've made the films too shallow and focused on style over substance.
Yes, but Abrams isn't speaking to dedicated Star Trek fans. When he speaks to the mass media he's sensibly inviting non-fans to identify with him and to follow him along a rhetorical path. Orci, OTOH, dedicates a surprising amount of time to tracking down trekkies in their online gathering places and identifying himself as one of them.

In any case, fannish criticism of these films has proven to be impotent and of little consequence.
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Old June 16 2013, 05:10 AM   #4255
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Burton, Sirtis and the rest would love Abrams Trek if they were collecting pay checks from it.
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Old June 16 2013, 05:37 AM   #4256
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If you guys are interested, I filmed this at a recent convention here in Boston. Marina Sirtis and Levar Burton are talking about Into Darkness quite candidly.
Nice to hear them be a little critical of nuTrek, but to be fair, the TNG movies pretty much ditched the whole moral/social/philosophical aspect of trek as well.

They always tried to force more action into the TNG movies and it just didn't work most of the time. The cast wasn't meant for it.
That's what I don't understand. It's not as if all the Trek before them had the Roddenberry "vision" in there either.
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Old June 16 2013, 06:12 AM   #4257
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Yes, but Abrams isn't speaking to dedicated Star Trek fans. When he speaks to the mass media he's sensibly inviting non-fans to identify with him and to follow him along a rhetorical path. Orci, OTOH, dedicates a surprising amount of time to tracking down trekkies in their online gathering places and identifying himself as one of them.
Sounds sorta like good cop/bad cop.
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Old June 16 2013, 07:48 AM   #4258
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Burton, Sirtis and the rest would love Abrams Trek if they were collecting pay checks from it.
I dunno, Sirtis and Frakes were pretty frank about some of their later film blunders. I'd imagine most of them understand that pretty well. And Burton initially praised the movie, despite these later criticisms. It's obvious that he enjoyed it on some level.
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Old June 16 2013, 10:32 AM   #4259
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I lost a little respect for Burton when he made the absolutely misinformed and made-up remark that J.J. Abrams was telling people that his Star Trek was the "only" Star Trek. Ironic that someone who used to host "The Reading Rainbow" doesn't take time to read things that people have said.

Then the other day he declared that it wasn't "okay" with him that "Gene Roddenberry's Vision" [All Rights Reserved] was "missing." Okay LeVar, time to go back to your Reading Rainbow App now.
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Old June 16 2013, 03:58 PM   #4260
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Ironic that someone who used to host "The Reading Rainbow" doesn't take time to read things that people have said.
To be fair, I'm sure the visor doesn't help.
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