RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,945
Posts: 5,479,355
Members: 25,056
Currently online: 587
Newest member: JeremiahJT

TrekToday headlines

USS Enterprise Press-Out And Build Manual
By: T'Bonz on Nov 28

New QMx USS Reliant Model
By: T'Bonz on Nov 28

Star Trek Thirty-Five Years On 35MM: A Retrospective
By: T'Bonz on Nov 28

Trek Shirt And Hoodie
By: T'Bonz on Nov 27

A Klingon Christmas Carol’s Last Season
By: T'Bonz on Nov 27

Attack Wing Wave 10 Expansion Pack
By: T'Bonz on Nov 27

New Star Trek Funko Pop! Vinyl Figures
By: T'Bonz on Nov 26

QMx Mini Phaser Ornament
By: T'Bonz on Nov 26

Stewart as Neo-Nazi Skinhead
By: T'Bonz on Nov 26

Klingon Bloodwine To Debut
By: T'Bonz on Nov 25


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, vampires, genre books and film.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 28 11.16%
A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
D+ 8 3.19%
D 10 3.98%
D- 5 1.99%
F 4 1.59%
Voters: 251. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 15 2013, 08:54 PM   #196
The Old Mixer
Vice Admiral
 
The Old Mixer's Avatar
 
Location: Bedford Falls
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Well...I wanted to like it, I really did. I didn't go in with a lot of preconceived notions...I was prepared for some of the individual choices that purists were making a lot of noise about. And a lot of the things that the film did interested me...though definitely not the action half of the film, which was as mind-numbingly OTT as I'd heard. As a whole package....It feels kind of like Ang Lee's Hulk. A superhero film that's ambitious, that tries to do something different...but just doesn't come together into a greater whole.

I'd be interested in seeing a sequel to see where it goes from here...but I have doubts about how this film's going to fare...I predict a steep drop next weekend from bad WOM. This is not Joe Sixpack's Superman.

I think I'll go with a B. Hovering on B-.

Last edited by The Old Mixer; June 15 2013 at 10:15 PM.
The Old Mixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 08:55 PM   #197
Trekker4747
Trekker4747
 
Trekker4747's Avatar
 
Location: Kansas City
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Lapis Exilis wrote: View Post
Trekker4747 wrote: View Post
I spoiler coded this early, maybe in the other thread, but here's my take on Jonathon's death.

It seemed pointless and over nothing. Jonathon goes back to the truck to save the dog. Which, I'm sorry, you're pretty much bred to simply not do in Kansas when it comes to going to safety from a tornado. You're told to get yourself and family to safety and to not worry about pets if you can't get to them. Going back to the car to save the dog was an idiotic move in the circumstances they were under. All of the humans were "safe" (an underpass, really, isn't all that safe place to be when covering from a tornado) Jonathon should've gotten to safety too and not worried about the damn dog. And I say this as a dog lover. Jonathon also, pretty much, "decides to die.'
There's so much wrong from a tornado point of view in that scene:

1) When you live in tornado country you know when the conditions are right for a tornado and you're not out driving on the highway so the 35 cars full of people are wrong right off. People tend to stick very close to home when there's a tornado watch on. On top of that, unless there's a football game that afternoon or church that morning, you don't find that many cars trailing each other on a minor highway between small towns in Kansas.

2) When you live in tornado country, you know that if you are in a car and a tornado is coming, you don't huddle under an overpass, you hit the nearest ditch and get down. Because of the way highways are built in that area, there are generally generous ditches on either side of the highway. If there's no ditch, then you find whatever divot in the earth you can - but you couldn't have Clark watching in anguish if he's head down in a ditch.

The scene is contrived from start to finish to create the circumstances of Jonathon's death. It's clumsy for sure.
For what it's worth, though, there have been news stories (one, in fact, that took place in central Kansas conceivably at the time Clark would've been this age as it was in the mid-90s) where people have survived taking shelter in an over/underpass. There's even video of a couple of these incidents one DID include people on a fairly busy highway. So it DOES and HAS happened, the underpass thing I've not too much a problem with. (It IS a wrong idea but people have done it and survived.) But the biggest problem, really, is that it was over a dog. Which people would know better than to risk their lives for and for audience members it can come across as trivial. It would've been more impactful if Jonathon risked himself to save a child or a person rather than a dog. Again, I say this as a dog lover, but if I'm in a situation where I have to get myself to safety and the dog isn't coming, screw him. I'm getting myself safe.

Everyone likely knows of the infamous video of "Galloping Girdie" of the Tacoma Narrows bridge that was poorly designed without wind guards resulting in it bucking and swaying like a banner in high winds. In that video a car is trapped on the bridge and eventually goes down with the bridge. There was a dog in that car that people tried to save but the dog wouldn't come and eventually the people involved and trying to save it gave up and fled to safety before the bridge collapsed.

It's sad, but that's what you're supposed to do in disaster situations. Save the human beings FIRST and then, only if you can safely, get the animals. Jonathon died saving a dog and, really, that feels a bit shallow.

Well, maybe shallow isn't the right word. But it just feels... "pointless". again, maybe that comes from always being taught to worry about human beings before animals but I think the death would have meant more if it was to save a person or a child than a dog and if Jonathon really WAS in a situation where saving him would've meant much more exposure for Clark. Here, Jonathon is pretty much just stand there, holds up his hand and says, "Meh, I've done my time. Let me go."

I agree the death in SM:TM meant more because it was a natural thing Clark COULDN'T do anything about. Here it could've just been a choice Clark had to make between exposing himself and saving his father but, really, it seems like his father risked himself, essentially, for nothing. If Jonathon risked himself to save a person it'd mean a bit more. But saving a dog doesn't work for me.

Now, on another front, I'm big on the idea that Superman doesn't kill. And at first I was bothered by the killing of Zod but then I think it kid of worked because we saw the anguish in Superman after he did it. He didn't want to do this but he pretty much had to to save lives, he was pushed to his limit. Now we could argue that Superman always finds another way or even that the people weren't truly trapped, but I think the moment works because of how Superman reacts to it.
__________________
Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

Last edited by Trekker4747; June 15 2013 at 09:06 PM.
Trekker4747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 08:58 PM   #198
P0sitr0nic
Vice Admiral
 
P0sitr0nic's Avatar
 
Location: Jedi Council
Send a message via AIM to P0sitr0nic
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Saw it this morning and loved it. Pure greatness.
__________________
If you're one of the meatheads constantly droning on about "take my country back"... GET OVER IT. The confederacy LOST.
P0sitr0nic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 09:02 PM   #199
Admiral2
Vice Admiral
 
Admiral2's Avatar
 
Location: Arendelle
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Wow. That was boatloads more awesome than I expected it to be.

I'm not gonna go over this entire thread. I'm pretty sure everything I can praise about it has already been mentioned a thousand times. I'll only mention a couple of quibbles:

1. The CGI battles weren't as sharp as they could have been. It looked more like Spidey and Doc Ock in SM2 than what was in the Avengers.

2. The music score was the typical lotsa-beats-and-no-melody Syfy movie of the week crap. John Williams was missed.

Everything else, the acting, the visuals, Krypton...just awesome.
__________________
"You should never give up on family -- even if they say harsh things and create snow monsters to make you go away."

-Elsa on what she learned from Anna
Admiral2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 09:26 PM   #200
trekkiebaggio
Vice Admiral
 
trekkiebaggio's Avatar
 
Location: Dancing to the Jailhouse Rock
View trekkiebaggio's Twitter Profile
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

The Old Mixer wrote: View Post
Well...I wanted to like it, I really did. I didn't go in with a lot of preconceived notions...I was prepared for some of the individual choices that purists were making a lot of noise about. And a lot of the things that the film did interested me...though definitely not the action half of the film, which was as mind-numbingly OTT as I'd heard. As a whole package....It feels kind of like Ang Lee's Hulk. A superhero film that's ambitious, that tries to do something different...but just doesn't come together into a greater whole.

I'd be interested in seeing a sequel to see where it goes from here...but I have doubts about how this film's going to fare...I predict steep drop next weekend from bad WOM. This is not Joe Sixpack's Superman.

I think I'll go with a B. Hovering on B-.
Ohhh that's a good comparison.
__________________
Angelic Hellfire - My novel.

Man of Yesterday - My blog: movie, books and board game reviews.
trekkiebaggio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 09:44 PM   #201
SJSharksfan39
Admiral
 
SJSharksfan39's Avatar
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
View SJSharksfan39's Twitter Profile
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Went to see the new Superman movie today and really enjoyed it. I really liked the story and the action wasn't as bad as some of the critics have said, but my main problem with the film was some of the corny acting and dialog. Some quotes were really cringeworthy, especially Michael Shannon as Zod. I thought the best two actors in this film were Kent's Parents, played by Costner and Lane. As for Cavil as Clark, he did a pretty good job with what he was given. He's no Christopher Reeve, but he is a worthy actor for the Superman Character.

B
__________________
Twitter
SJSharksfan39 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 11:00 PM   #202
davejames
Vice Admiral
 
Location: Sac, Ca
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

The Old Mixer wrote: View Post
I'd be interested in seeing a sequel to see where it goes from here...but I have doubts about how this film's going to fare...I predict a steep drop next weekend from bad WOM. This is not Joe Sixpack's Superman.
Well it's received an A- Cinemascore from audiences, so hopefully that won't be the case.
davejames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 11:06 PM   #203
JarodRussell
Vice Admiral
 
JarodRussell's Avatar
 
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Are the headlines already having fun with it?

Man of Steel kicks Iron Man's ass.

Steel harder than Iron.

Kent Irons Stark.
JarodRussell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 11:30 PM   #204
Agent Richard07
Retired
 
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

One thing about the tornado scene that really stood out was Jonathan not being swept away in the funnel. Last we saw of him, he was just standing there as it passed over. Shouldn't the force of the wind have picked him and a few cars up?

And as for Superman killing Zod, he did the same thing in Superman II, didn't he?
Agent Richard07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 11:32 PM   #205
Control Voice
Ensign
 
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Really loved this film, warts and all.
However, is there another Kryptonian about?
There was an open canister in the artic scout ship Clark visited.
Control Voice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 11:33 PM   #206
Agent Richard07
Retired
 
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

^ Kara.
Agent Richard07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 11:36 PM   #207
EnsignRicky
Commodore
 
EnsignRicky's Avatar
 
Location: Pre-Apocalyptic Earth
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

It was okay.
__________________
Use Only As Directed
EnsignRicky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 11:40 PM   #208
Captaindemotion
Vice Admiral
 
Captaindemotion's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Agent Richard07 wrote: View Post
And as for Superman killing Zod, he did the same thing in Superman II, didn't he?
Eh - no.
__________________
Hodor!!!!!!!
Captaindemotion is online now   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 11:54 PM   #209
The Old Mixer
Vice Admiral
 
The Old Mixer's Avatar
 
Location: Bedford Falls
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Frankly, Superman II was very vague about what happened to the Phantom Zone villains at the end. A deleted scene had them being hauled away by the law, but the theatrical version left you wondering.

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
Are the headlines already having fun with it?

Man of Steel kicks Iron Man's ass.

Steel harder than Iron.

Kent Irons Stark.
How so? It looks like IM3 did a $174 million opening weekend domestically. People are projecting around $130 million for this one, aren't they?

The Pa Kent thing...I totally get what they were trying to do, but it just didn't work well the way that they did it. There must have been a better way to realize the concept. Ultimately, it comes down to Pa expecting his son to show the restraint not to save him, when he was only in that situation because he didn't have the restraint not to save a dog....
The Old Mixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15 2013, 11:56 PM   #210
Trekker4747
Trekker4747
 
Trekker4747's Avatar
 
Location: Kansas City
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Captaindemotion wrote: View Post
Agent Richard07 wrote: View Post
And as for Superman killing Zod, he did the same thing in Superman II, didn't he?
Eh - no.
Well, we don't know. But Zod, Ursa and Non all fell down a crevasse in the Fortress of Solitude after the Red Sun radiation de-powered them. Now in the Donner Cut I believe we see them being escorted away by the police (and even in the TV cut of the movie) but in the original, "official" version of the movie the fall down the crevasse never to be seen again. It's probably "safe" to assume they were killed considering, but...
__________________
Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.
Trekker4747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
christopher nolan, man of steel, superman

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:38 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.