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Old June 13 2013, 11:53 PM   #46
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Re: John Harrison was more interesting than (SPOILER)

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I'm holding on to the possibility that in the next movie we find out that Harrison wasn't the real Khan.
It was Khan. He just has plastic surgery.
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Old June 14 2013, 07:49 AM   #47
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Re: John Harrison was more interesting than (SPOILER)

I think the character being Khan makes the story much more interesting (so I can't fault the writers for that), but I could never quite buy Cumberbatch as Khan. I think the actor gave a good performance but somehow it didn't work for me as the Khan character. Maybe I will feel different on subsequent viewings but that's my initial impression.
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Old June 14 2013, 09:04 AM   #48
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I made a point of not reading any spoilers on STID before going to see it.

So I started off more or less enjoying it (glossing over the starship under water issue and blatant violation of the Prime Directive by letting the primitive species survive). When they started building up John Harrison, I liked the idea of a S31 operative gone rogue, with shedloads of advanced and classified technology at his disposal and trying to work out what his plan was.

Then came the reveal. I actually let slip an anguished groan in the cinema. From that point on the film dropped, then when they start reading the script for TWOK it plummetted.

I don't mind the concept of rebooting Trek, but make it a clean reboot rather than just rehashing old plots. What's Star Trek 13 going to be? A retelling of "The Naked Time"--this time with more flesh on screen?
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Old June 14 2013, 09:35 AM   #49
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I think if they truly wanted to do an "Indian" Khan they should've found a Bollywood actor to play the character.
"Introducing Shah Rukh Khan as KHAN"?
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Old June 14 2013, 12:26 PM   #50
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Because there wasn't a 3 hour flashblack.

Yeah, sure.

Because Richardo can't be clone.

Yeah, sure.

Because a Hispanic actor wasn't cast.

Yeah, sure.

Bad Robot Trek is here stay. Making up stuff isn't going to bring back Prime Trek.
These JJ Abrams cheerleaders sure are articulate.
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Old June 14 2013, 02:15 PM   #51
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I don't mind the concept of rebooting Trek, but make it a clean reboot rather than just rehashing old plots. What's Star Trek 13 going to be? A retelling of "The Naked Time"--this time with more flesh on screen?
John Cho is long overdue for some shirtless fencing.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:01 PM   #52
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These JJ Abrams cheerleaders sure are articulate.
Just as articulate as "this isn't Star Trek because Spock runs funny".
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Old June 14 2013, 03:58 PM   #53
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I think if they truly wanted to do an "Indian" Khan they should've found a Bollywood actor to play the character.
"Introducing Shah Rukh Khan as KHAN"?
"I'm the perfect choice! My name is actually Khan!!!"
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Old June 14 2013, 08:02 PM   #54
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Re: John Harrison was more interesting than (SPOILER)

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Because there wasn't a 3 hour flashblack.

Yeah, sure.

Because Richardo can't be clone.

Yeah, sure.

Because a Hispanic actor wasn't cast.

Yeah, sure.

Bad Robot Trek is here stay. Making up stuff isn't going to bring back Prime Trek.
These JJ Abrams cheerleaders sure are articulate.
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Old June 14 2013, 11:28 PM   #55
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I don't get the point of Harrison being just another augment, considering at that point its just another Khan expy and those are worth a dime a dozen.

I'd rather have the original than another watered down copy. Especially since non Khan augments are usually have some story mentioned comparison to Khan anyway when they show up.
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Old June 15 2013, 08:43 PM   #56
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Re: John Harrison was more interesting than (SPOILER)

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I don't get the point of Harrison being just another augment, considering at that point its just another Khan expy and those are worth a dime a dozen.

I'd rather have the original than another watered down copy. Especially since non Khan augments are usually have some story mentioned comparison to Khan anyway when they show up.
This.

Khan made the character important, also the name "John Harrison" is hella lame. It doesn't roll off the tongue as it should.
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Old June 15 2013, 09:29 PM   #57
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I don't get the point of Harrison being just another augment, considering at that point its just another Khan expy and those are worth a dime a dozen.

I'd rather have the original than another watered down copy. Especially since non Khan augments are usually have some story mentioned comparison to Khan anyway when they show up.
This.

Khan made the character important
All new villains are unimportant unless they are Khan?
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Old June 15 2013, 09:52 PM   #58
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I don't get the point of Harrison being just another augment, considering at that point its just another Khan expy and those are worth a dime a dozen.

I'd rather have the original than another watered down copy. Especially since non Khan augments are usually have some story mentioned comparison to Khan anyway when they show up.
This.

Khan made the character important
All new villains are unimportant unless they are Khan?
If one is simplistic I suppose one can take that from that but what I meant was that in frame of this movie, fans would've expected Khan. Anybody else would've gotten the cries of "Copycat!" and the like. Even you must agree to that argument.
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Old June 15 2013, 10:38 PM   #59
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I expected John Harrison, rogue secret agent with superior abilities. The film didn't need Khan and his 72 followers. It could have been John Harrison and his group of agents held captive by Admiral Marcus.
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Old June 16 2013, 02:03 AM   #60
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I expected John Harrison, rogue secret agent with superior abilities. The film didn't need Khan and his 72 followers. It could have been John Harrison and his group of agents held captive by Admiral Marcus.
So we would have had a man with superior abilities, who is out for revenge against a Starfleet admiral and his followers who also have superior abilities who are in cryo-storage for the most part.

So this doesn't sound remotely similar to an already existing trek villain?
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