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Old June 15 2013, 04:48 PM   #16
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Re: STID: 10 years later

Amusingly, some fans were saying Wrath of Khan was a Star Wars-ripoff popcorn action flick back in 1982 ("Indiana Skywalker Meets the Son of Star Trek", Best of Trek #7). And many fans were deeply disappointed in The Empire Strikes Back as well in 1980 (see here for one such example. Many old SW 'zines are scanned and online now expressing similar sentiment). Ultimately, only time will tell - although I for one know I'll enjoy Star Trek and Into Darkness for many years to come.
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Old June 15 2013, 05:02 PM   #17
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Amusingly, some fans were saying Wrath of Khan was a Star Wars-ripoff popcorn action flick back in 1982 ("Indiana Skywalker Meets the Son of Star Trek", Best of Trek #7). And many fans were deeply disappointed in The Empire Strikes Back as well in 1980 (see here for one such example. Many old SW 'zines are scanned and online now expressing similar sentiment). Ultimately, only time will tell - although I for one know I'll enjoy Star Trek and Into Darkness for many years to come.
Seems like the more things change. From the "Best of Trek" article...

Best of Trek #7 wrote:
If, as the Star Trek constituency, we claim to cultivate a sense of the future, we must recognize Wrath of Khan as part of a contemporary phenomenon- the one-time, pay-for-thrills motion-picture show- that cannot last. In future, films will be integrated into home technologies as disks, cassettes, etc. and will be purchased on the basis of their multiple-viewing merits. Under those standards, STTMP will easily qualify for inclusion in home libraries; it will, in its way, be a forerunner of future "good movies". This is the Star Trek condition.
Sound familiar to anyone?
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Old June 15 2013, 05:07 PM   #18
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Into Darkness is a disposable blockbuster film that will be forgotten in 10 years.
Whereas the likes of Iron Man 3 and Man of Steel will be forgotten in three or four.
So?
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Old June 15 2013, 05:16 PM   #19
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
Amusingly, some fans were saying Wrath of Khan was a Star Wars-ripoff popcorn action flick back in 1982 ("Indiana Skywalker Meets the Son of Star Trek", Best of Trek #7). And many fans were deeply disappointed in The Empire Strikes Back as well in 1980 (see here for one such example. Many old SW 'zines are scanned and online now expressing similar sentiment). Ultimately, only time will tell - although I for one know I'll enjoy Star Trek and Into Darkness for many years to come.
Very interesting! It proves that however STID is regarded in 10 years, it is impossible to base that on anything we know today...
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Old June 15 2013, 06:28 PM   #20
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Amusingly, some fans were saying Wrath of Khan was a Star Wars-ripoff popcorn action flick back in 1982 ("Indiana Skywalker Meets the Son of Star Trek", Best of Trek #7). And many fans were deeply disappointed in The Empire Strikes Back as well in 1980 (see here for one such example. Many old SW 'zines are scanned and online now expressing similar sentiment). Ultimately, only time will tell - although I for one know I'll enjoy Star Trek and Into Darkness for many years to come.
I was ready to tear that The Empire Strikes Back reviewer a new one, albeit 33 years too late, for his wrongheaded opinion, but then he used the word "meretricious" in the opening sentence and I realized "I can't stay mad at you." Plus, he's probably dead from complications brought on by chronic rectal cranial inversion by now.
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Old June 15 2013, 06:56 PM   #21
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Amusingly, some fans were saying Wrath of Khan was a Star Wars-ripoff popcorn action flick back in 1982 ("Indiana Skywalker Meets the Son of Star Trek", Best of Trek #7). And many fans were deeply disappointed in The Empire Strikes Back as well in 1980 (see here for one such example. Many old SW 'zines are scanned and online now expressing similar sentiment). Ultimately, only time will tell - although I for one know I'll enjoy Star Trek and Into Darkness for many years to come.
I was ready to tear that The Empire Strikes Back reviewer a new one, albeit 33 years too late, for his wrongheaded opinion, but then he used the word "meretricious" in the opening sentence and I realized "I can't stay mad at you."
Though he did misspell "definitely".

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the script was puerile in the extreme - are these supposed to be sophisticated, mature people talking?
Just imagine his reaction to the prequels. Hoo boy!
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Old June 15 2013, 07:46 PM   #22
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Into Darkness is a disposable blockbuster film that will be forgotten in 10 years.
Whether or not it's remembered fondly at ten years' distance is one question.

But forgotten - in a fandom which is still energetically hashing over continuity issues in "The Alternative Factor" or bemoaning the indignity of 'horsie' scene in "Plato's Stepchildren"? I wonder.
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Old June 15 2013, 07:54 PM   #23
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Into Darkness is a disposable blockbuster film that will be forgotten in 10 years.
Whether or not it's remembered fondly at ten years' distance is one question.

But forgotten - in a fandom which is still energetically hashing over continuity issues in "The Alternative Factor" or bemoaning the indignity of 'horsie' scene in "Plato's Stepchildren"? I wonder.
This.

It's been twenty-five years since The Final Frontier and we're still discussing the validity of Spock having a half-brother.
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Old June 15 2013, 08:00 PM   #24
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What was a retread ? Apart from the Kirk death reversal scene ?
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Old June 15 2013, 08:02 PM   #25
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By that standard, pretty much all of Star Trek has been a retread to one degree or another since Where No Man...
What?

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Old June 15 2013, 08:08 PM   #26
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What was a retread ? Apart from the Kirk death reversal scene ?
Are you kidding?

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What does it matter if they recycled a scene as long as they did it well? Which they did in my opinion.
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Old June 15 2013, 08:11 PM   #27
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I'm honestly not sure any newer movie will be regarded as a classic the way Star Wars is now. New films, for all their awesome spectacle, are just too commonplace nowadays.

Even Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, probably won't stand the test of time. Does anybody even talk about Titanic or The Matrix anymore?
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Old June 15 2013, 08:14 PM   #28
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I'm honestly not sure any newer movie will be regarded as a classic the way Star Wars is now. New films, for all their awesome spectacle, are just too commonplace nowadays.

Even Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, probably won't stand the test of time. Does anybody even talk about Titanic or The Matrix anymore?
I think long-running franchise films are a bit different though. We're still here talking about the Star Wars prequels and the Next Generation films.
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Old June 15 2013, 08:18 PM   #29
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I'm honestly not sure any newer movie will be regarded as a classic the way Star Wars is now. New films, for all their awesome spectacle, are just too commonplace nowadays.

Even Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, probably won't stand the test of time. Does anybody even talk about Titanic or The Matrix anymore?
I think long-running franchise films are a bit different though. We're still here talking about the Star Wars prequels and the Next Generation films.
The only reason anybody still talks about the SW prequels is because of how shitty they were compared to the original Star Wars trilogy. If the OT didn't exist and we started with the PT, I guarantee nobody would be talking about them because they're just so damn forgettable.

As for TNG films, who exactly is still talking about them? We few nerds on a message board? They've hardly made an impact on the movie-going experience as a whole.
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Old June 15 2013, 08:21 PM   #30
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How can we say if something will be a classic in ten years time now? Unless somebody here is either a time traveler or a soothsayer there is no way to tell unless it's your own, subjective opinion.

As for mine, this has to be my favorite Trek movie next to TMP. So I will be enjoying it in 2113 and 2023!
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