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A- 46 18.33%
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B- 11 4.38%
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Old June 15 2013, 05:15 PM   #181
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I spoiler coded this early, maybe in the other thread, but here's my take on Jonathon's death.

It seemed pointless and over nothing. Jonathon goes back to the truck to save the dog. Which, I'm sorry, you're pretty much bred to simply not do in Kansas when it comes to going to safety from a tornado. You're told to get yourself and family to safety and to not worry about pets if you can't get to them. Going back to the car to save the dog was an idiotic move in the circumstances they were under. All of the humans were "safe" (an underpass, really, isn't all that safe place to be when covering from a tornado) Jonathon should've gotten to safety too and not worried about the damn dog. And I say this as a dog lover. Jonathon also, pretty much, "decides to die.'
There's so much wrong from a tornado point of view in that scene:

1) When you live in tornado country you know when the conditions are right for a tornado and you're not out driving on the highway so the 35 cars full of people are wrong right off. People tend to stick very close to home when there's a tornado watch on. On top of that, unless there's a football game that afternoon or church that morning, you don't find that many cars trailing each other on a minor highway between small towns in Kansas.

2) When you live in tornado country, you know that if you are in a car and a tornado is coming, you don't huddle under an overpass, you hit the nearest ditch and get down. Because of the way highways are built in that area, there are generally generous ditches on either side of the highway. If there's no ditch, then you find whatever divot in the earth you can - but you couldn't have Clark watching in anguish if he's head down in a ditch.

The scene is contrived from start to finish to create the circumstances of Jonathon's death. It's clumsy for sure.
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Old June 15 2013, 05:17 PM   #182
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Yeah I have to admit Jonathan going back for the dog was kinda silly and contrived. I thought for sure he was going back to get more people that he saw, but for some reason it ended up just being... a dog stuck in a car? Huh?

Still though, the final look between him and Clark was so powerful and emotional that I thought it made it totally worth it in the end.
I would try and save my dog!! My little buddy is a great friend so it makes Jonathan's actions very plausible.
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Old June 15 2013, 05:25 PM   #183
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I spoiler coded this early, maybe in the other thread, but here's my take on Jonathon's death.

It seemed pointless and over nothing. Jonathon goes back to the truck to save the dog. Which, I'm sorry, you're pretty much bred to simply not do in Kansas when it comes to going to safety from a tornado. You're told to get yourself and family to safety and to not worry about pets if you can't get to them. Going back to the car to save the dog was an idiotic move in the circumstances they were under. All of the humans were "safe" (an underpass, really, isn't all that safe place to be when covering from a tornado) Jonathon should've gotten to safety too and not worried about the damn dog. And I say this as a dog lover. Jonathon also, pretty much, "decides to die.'
There's so much wrong from a tornado point of view in that scene:

1) When you live in tornado country you know when the conditions are right for a tornado and you're not out driving on the highway so the 35 cars full of people are wrong right off. People tend to stick very close to home when there's a tornado watch on. On top of that, unless there's a football game that afternoon or church that morning, you don't find that many cars trailing each other on a minor highway between small towns in Kansas.

2) When you live in tornado country, you know that if you are in a car and a tornado is coming, you don't huddle under an overpass, you hit the nearest ditch and get down. Because of the way highways are built in that area, there are generally generous ditches on either side of the highway. If there's no ditch, then you find whatever divot in the earth you can - but you couldn't have Clark watching in anguish if he's head down in a ditch.

The scene is contrived from start to finish to create the circumstances of Jonathon's death. It's clumsy for sure.
Ah this doesnt really hold water....during the tornadoes in the last few weeks, people in "tornado country" routinely did the WRONG things, including hitting the highways instead of taking deep cover. This is not really much of a criticism.
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Old June 15 2013, 05:32 PM   #184
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I liked the scene where Clark visits a church before turning himself over to the military. I'm not sure this suggests that Clark was raised Christian by the Kents; the religious faith of superheroes seems to be a largely unexplored subject. It's too bad, unfortunately, that the scene had the reverend offering some really banal advice. "A leap of faith" is something that Clark could have heard from a Starbucks employee. What a cop-out. Couldn't screenwriter David Goyer come up with something a little better? I could be wrong, but "a leap of faith" doesn't sound to me like it's right out of the Gospels.
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Old June 15 2013, 05:33 PM   #185
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I liked the movie A LOT, and almost loved it. I adored all the Easter Eggs, especially the nods to Smallville, which I didn't expect. A little humor would have gone a long, long way though.

A few flaws are just plain bugging me, though.

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Old June 15 2013, 05:35 PM   #186
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Old June 15 2013, 06:10 PM   #187
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Ah this doesnt really hold water....during the tornadoes in the last few weeks, people in "tornado country" routinely did the WRONG things, including hitting the highways instead of taking deep cover. This is not really much of a criticism.
Yeah, a whole bunch of them hit the road because an idiotic TV weatherman's told them to drive away, and they got trapped in their cars. And I was also surprised to read that the vast majority of people in that area have no kind of underground shelter or bunker at all.

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I liked the scene where Clark visits a church before turning himself over to the military. I'm not sure this suggests that Clark was raised Christian by the Kents; the religious faith of superheroes seems to be a largely unexplored subject.
Yeah I liked that as well. It's something you don't usually see in a superhero movie, and yet it totally made sense given his upbringing.
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Old June 15 2013, 06:31 PM   #188
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Yeah I liked that as well. It's something you don't usually see in a superhero movie, and yet it totally made sense given his upbringing.
There was quite a few "Superman for all seasons" inspirations in the movie

The tornado
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Old June 15 2013, 06:43 PM   #189
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I liked the movie A LOT, and almost loved it. I adored all the Easter Eggs, especially the nods to Smallville, which I didn't expect. A little humor would have gone a long, long way though.
I'm still totally baffled by the "no humor" criticism. There might not have been any Avengers-style wisecracks, but there were still plenty of small, humorous moments throughout.

-the trucker trying to punch Clark, and then seeing his truck torn apart
-Lois's line about everything going downhill after the first kiss
-"Well here, it's an S" and Superman describing the items in Hamilton's pocket
-Jor-El calmly helping a frazzled Lois shoot Zod's men
-Superman telling Lois "You might want to step back... a little bit more"
-the reverend's huge gulp when Clark tells him who he is
-Martha's "nice suit" line
-the infamous "I think he's kinda hot" line
-the double meaning of "Welcome to the Planet" and "Glad to be here" at the end....
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Old June 15 2013, 06:46 PM   #190
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I liked the movie A LOT, and almost loved it. I adored all the Easter Eggs, especially the nods to Smallville, which I didn't expect. A little humor would have gone a long, long way though.
I'm still totally baffled by the "no humor" criticism. There might not have been any Avengers-style wisecracks, but there were still plenty of small, humorous moments throughout.

-the trucker trying to punch Clark, and then seeing his truck torn apart
-Lois's line about everything going downhill after the first kiss
-"Well here, it's an S" and Superman describing the items in Hamilton's pocket
-Jor-El calmly helping a frazzled Lois shoot Zod's men
-Superman telling Lois "You might want to step back... a little bit more"
-the reverend's huge gulp when Clark tells him who he is
-Martha's "nice suit" line
-the infamous "I think he's kinda hot" line
-the double meaning of "Welcome to the Planet" and "Glad to be here" at the end....
All those got big laughs at the showing I saw. Though I think I was the first person to get the last one.
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Old June 15 2013, 06:52 PM   #191
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IHOP received some pretty good exposure (and damage) in the film. Do they have some sort of "Man of Steel" menu item right now?
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Old June 15 2013, 06:57 PM   #192
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I thought the funniest bit was Jor-El's "crossing guard" direction of Lois in the spacecraft.
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Old June 15 2013, 07:38 PM   #193
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Old June 15 2013, 08:02 PM   #194
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IHOP received some pretty good exposure (and damage) in the film. Do they have some sort of "Man of Steel" menu item right now?
Ha, yeah it was a bit weird seeing Superman and Zod standing in the middle of an IHOP at one point.

Although I guess it could be considered a Superman tradition now, considering the blatant product placement of Coke, Marlboro, and Cheerios in the Donner films.
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Old June 15 2013, 08:13 PM   #195
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Ah this doesnt really hold water....during the tornadoes in the last few weeks, people in "tornado country" routinely did the WRONG things, including hitting the highways instead of taking deep cover. This is not really much of a criticism.
You may not think so, but I'm guessing you've never lived in a rural area of Tornado Alley. I have. I've been through numerous tornadoes out in the country. The incident you're referring to was people in Oklahoma City following the poorly considered advice of a weatherman in the face of an F5 tornado. It was a somewhat atypical situation.
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