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Old June 9 2013, 04:55 PM   #571
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Re: Joss Whedon's S.H.I.E.L.D to ABC!

^Indeed and since Marvel are becoming notorious for lowballing, I doubt they're willing to pay Jackson what he probably wants without some serious negotiation.
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Old June 9 2013, 06:45 PM   #572
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As for Gregg, consider that it was Marvel's decision to have him killed off in this movie. I have a suspicion that it was their plan all along to spin Coulson off into a TV series and that they killed him off in the movies to enable him to branch off into a parallel, mostly separate track.
I love that in the comics world one can speculate a character was killed off because they have further plans for him.
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Old June 10 2013, 02:00 AM   #573
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It doesn't seem to be stopping Clark Gregg.
They killed off his character in the movies.
No, Nick said he was killed in order to rally everyone behind a cause, but evidence suggests otherwise.
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Old June 10 2013, 02:14 AM   #574
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It doesn't seem to be stopping Clark Gregg.
They killed off his character in the movies.
No, Nick said he was killed in order to rally everyone behind a cause, but evidence suggests otherwise.
In Universe, he might have. In the real world they (Marvel Studios) killed him off. Not sure if that's related to him being on the TV show
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Old June 10 2013, 02:27 AM   #575
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So Agents of SHIELD is a prequel, too? And it's completely unrelated to Marvel? And despite specifically being stated that it's sharing continuity with the movies, it's not sharing continuity with the movies? And despite Clark Gregg himself saying that his character has "come back from the dead" even if he, as an actor, doesn't know the details thereof because its been classified in-universe?

I'm all kinds of confused.
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Old June 10 2013, 02:39 AM   #576
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So Agents of SHIELD is a prequel, too?
No, it's a sequel. In the official trailer, we see a character saying that Coulson was killed before "the Battle of New York," only to be surprised to discover Coulson alive.

And it's completely unrelated to Marvel?
It's a production of Marvel Television and it has the Marvel logo atop its logo. It's based on an organization and a character created and copyrighted by Marvel. It's definitely related to Marvel.

And despite specifically being stated that it's sharing continuity with the movies, it's not sharing continuity with the movies?
It's in the same continuity as the movies; it's just telling an independent set of stories. Much like, say, Star Trek: Voyager was in the same universe as ST:TNG but was separate from it because it dealt with different characters and situations. So they're in continuity in that they share a common background reality and a common history, but they're not directly sharing characters or storylines. We won't be seeing Tony Stark or Bruce Banner or Black Widow in the show, most likely.
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Old June 10 2013, 02:41 AM   #577
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Actually ill bet any future contract for the big movies of Marvel will include at least bit appearances in their shows. However many end up being made. One now, 3 next year perhaps?
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Old June 10 2013, 02:42 AM   #578
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He really was confused!
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Old June 10 2013, 03:18 AM   #579
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No, it's a sequel. In the official trailer, we see a character saying that Coulson was killed before "the Battle of New York," only to be surprised to discover Coulson alive.
Yes, I know. But apparently, Coulson was killed off. Permanently. Completely and utterly. People in this thread said so. Despite, you know, that being patently untrue, both in the Avengers (again, Fury only said he was dead to rally everyone and provided manufactured evidence to "prove" it) and in this continuing storyline.

So clearly it must be a prequel or not part of the same continuity at all. Even though it's not a prequel. At all.

It's a production of Marvel Television and it has the Marvel logo atop its logo. It's based on an organization and a character created and copyrighted by Marvel. It's definitely related to Marvel.
Nope, it can't be. Marvel killed Coulson off, thus if Coulson is actually alive, this can't be a Marvel production. Clearly.

It's in the same continuity as the movies; it's just telling an independent set of stories. Much like, say, Star Trek: Voyager was in the same universe as ST:TNG but was separate from it because it dealt with different characters and situations. So they're in continuity in that they share a common background reality and a common history, but they're not directly sharing characters or storylines. We won't be seeing Tony Stark or Bruce Banner or Black Widow in the show, most likely.
Nope, people in this thread have decreed that Coulson was undisputedly killed off in Avengers, thus if he's alive in this show, it can't be the same continuity. Even though he wasn't and it is.

(<whoosh!>)

And best of all, since Coulson is dead in the Avengers continuity, which appearently has no bearing on this show (despite the fact that it's the same continuity and these people are just flat out wrong, but admitting that is nigh impossible), there's no way in hell his actor could still have a contract for the movies and one for the television at the same time. Why, that alone is impossible to imagine, by Jove.

EDIT: Before replying, you may want to look at the two threads this is all in response to. Helpful link #1 and helpful link #2.

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Old June 10 2013, 03:58 AM   #580
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I said he was killed off in Avengers. Didn't say anything about it being permanent, SHIELD being a prequel or being in a different continuity. I also said I was unsure if the death in Avengers was related to him being on the TV show.

Not sure what the problem with my post about contracts is .
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Old June 10 2013, 02:13 PM   #581
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No, it's a sequel. In the official trailer, we see a character saying that Coulson was killed before "the Battle of New York," only to be surprised to discover Coulson alive.
Yes, I know. But apparently, Coulson was killed off. Permanently. Completely and utterly. People in this thread said so. Despite, you know, that being patently untrue, both in the Avengers (again, Fury only said he was dead to rally everyone and provided manufactured evidence to "prove" it) and in this continuing storyline.

So clearly it must be a prequel or not part of the same continuity at all. Even though it's not a prequel. At all.

It's a production of Marvel Television and it has the Marvel logo atop its logo. It's based on an organization and a character created and copyrighted by Marvel. It's definitely related to Marvel.
Nope, it can't be. Marvel killed Coulson off, thus if Coulson is actually alive, this can't be a Marvel production. Clearly.

It's in the same continuity as the movies; it's just telling an independent set of stories. Much like, say, Star Trek: Voyager was in the same universe as ST:TNG but was separate from it because it dealt with different characters and situations. So they're in continuity in that they share a common background reality and a common history, but they're not directly sharing characters or storylines. We won't be seeing Tony Stark or Bruce Banner or Black Widow in the show, most likely.
Nope, people in this thread have decreed that Coulson was undisputedly killed off in Avengers, thus if he's alive in this show, it can't be the same continuity. Even though he wasn't and it is.

(<whoosh!>)

And best of all, since Coulson is dead in the Avengers continuity, which appearently has no bearing on this show (despite the fact that it's the same continuity and these people are just flat out wrong, but admitting that is nigh impossible), there's no way in hell his actor could still have a contract for the movies and one for the television at the same time. Why, that alone is impossible to imagine, by Jove.

EDIT: Before replying, you may want to look at the two threads this is all in response to. Helpful link #1 and helpful link #2.
It seems pretty obvious to me that this series is in the same continuity as The Avengers, set after the movie, and that as far as the series is concerned, Coulson is alive and Fury lied to everyone when he said Coulson had been killed. I see nothing in your "helpful links" to contradict this.
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Old June 10 2013, 05:02 PM   #582
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Really, it wouldn't be the Marvel Universe without characters coming back from the dead. Is Clark Gregg's character named Ben Parker? No? Then of course he can come back to life.
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Old June 14 2013, 06:53 PM   #583
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And CTV just announced landing Canadian broadcast rights.
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Good to know.
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Old June 15 2013, 07:47 PM   #585
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I just watched the trailer, that was great! I can't wait to see this in the fall. Damn shame we have to wait that long for it.
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