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Old June 12 2013, 10:49 PM   #211
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Well, actual dedication would be working hard at it until it's done. What I'm doing is NOTHING like that.
Never let them see you napping, Forbin.
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Old June 13 2013, 02:08 AM   #212
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Mysterion, is the USS Akula guarding the frontier from Zur and the Kodan armada?
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Old June 13 2013, 05:18 AM   #213
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Nicely done orthos!

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Here is a mundane question: what applications are you all using to create these starships in?
Mundane answer: yes. Name any program, and I'll bet someone around here uses it. I can't speak for Forbin, but personally I use GIMP and Inkscape (both free) for 2D work.
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I really am liking a lot of this art here!

Here is a mundane question: what applications are you all using to create these starships in?
Good ol' mundane CorelDRAW X5.
Well, you guys all do great work. Now excuse my ignorance, as I don't work around photo editing or anything like that, but do you two (and anyone else who wants to share) "draw" those ships from scratch or do you use templates?

The reason I am asking is if there are templates involved, I would like to know so that maybe I can start learning on my own and create some ships myself. I would probably want to start out with 2-d, first, I imagine. So if you have any tips, I would be interested in your expertise, that is if you care to share it. If not, totally fine.
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Old June 13 2013, 05:49 AM   #214
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Say which show or movie is that William Shatner avatar from?
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Old June 13 2013, 07:08 AM   #215
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Old June 13 2013, 03:16 PM   #216
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Nicely done orthos!

TheSubCommander wrote: View Post
Here is a mundane question: what applications are you all using to create these starships in?
Mundane answer: yes. Name any program, and I'll bet someone around here uses it. I can't speak for Forbin, but personally I use GIMP and Inkscape (both free) for 2D work.
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I really am liking a lot of this art here!

Here is a mundane question: what applications are you all using to create these starships in?
Good ol' mundane CorelDRAW X5.
Well, you guys all do great work. Now excuse my ignorance, as I don't work around photo editing or anything like that, but do you two (and anyone else who wants to share) "draw" those ships from scratch or do you use templates?

The reason I am asking is if there are templates involved, I would like to know so that maybe I can start learning on my own and create some ships myself. I would probably want to start out with 2-d, first, I imagine. So if you have any tips, I would be interested in your expertise, that is if you care to share it. If not, totally fine.
Personally, I draw everything from scratch. I do sometimes have reference pictures that I draw over or refer to, but the final product is all-new. Once I've done that, I may use my new file as a template of sorts for derivative works (see my Galileo thread for an example), but that template was still my own work.
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Old June 13 2013, 03:50 PM   #217
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Nicely done orthos!

TheSubCommander wrote: View Post
Here is a mundane question: what applications are you all using to create these starships in?
Mundane answer: yes. Name any program, and I'll bet someone around here uses it. I can't speak for Forbin, but personally I use GIMP and Inkscape (both free) for 2D work.
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I really am liking a lot of this art here!

Here is a mundane question: what applications are you all using to create these starships in?
Good ol' mundane CorelDRAW X5.
Well, you guys all do great work. Now excuse my ignorance, as I don't work around photo editing or anything like that, but do you two (and anyone else who wants to share) "draw" those ships from scratch or do you use templates?

The reason I am asking is if there are templates involved, I would like to know so that maybe I can start learning on my own and create some ships myself. I would probably want to start out with 2-d, first, I imagine. So if you have any tips, I would be interested in your expertise, that is if you care to share it. If not, totally fine.
What I did was find really good blueprints that someone else has drawn, scan them at hi res, and trace over them in Corel. As I go, I have to be thinking in terms of making the shapes solid closed paths so I can add fills and shading. Once I had, say, the TMP E drawn up, then I could take parts of it and use an engine or a saucer to build the art for a new kitbash like the Venture. For bashes that are from things that don't have existing blueprints I can cheat from () like the Val'Walo and the Reeses, I actually break down and use my old drafting skills to measure the model and draw it from scratch.
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Old June 13 2013, 05:15 PM   #218
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Mysterion, is the USS Akula guarding the frontier from Zur and the Kodan armada?
Well, somebody's gotta! Welcome to Rylos, my boy!

(Actually, Akula is currently assigned to PA Group 26 out on the edge of SubQuadrant 3-South dealing mostly with Orion smugglers and the occasional Klingon raiders who haven't quite embraced the Khitomer Accords.)
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Old June 13 2013, 05:38 PM   #219
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Well, you guys all do great work. Now excuse my ignorance, as I don't work around photo editing or anything like that, but do you two (and anyone else who wants to share) "draw" those ships from scratch or do you use templates?

The reason I am asking is if there are templates involved, I would like to know so that maybe I can start learning on my own and create some ships myself. I would probably want to start out with 2-d, first, I imagine. So if you have any tips, I would be interested in your expertise, that is if you care to share it. If not, totally fine.
There is Neale "Vance" Davidson's Starship Toolkits - http://jaynz.trekships.org/view_gall...y_Toolkits.idx

There's also his old black and white versions - http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/vance.php - scroll to the bottom.

That's an easy way to get started whipping ships together. You can start learning your photo edit skills slowly be cause you only need to do minor editing here and there rather than draw whole ships from scratch.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:03 PM   #220
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Thank you BJ and Forbin

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Well, you guys all do great work. Now excuse my ignorance, as I don't work around photo editing or anything like that, but do you two (and anyone else who wants to share) "draw" those ships from scratch or do you use templates?

The reason I am asking is if there are templates involved, I would like to know so that maybe I can start learning on my own and create some ships myself. I would probably want to start out with 2-d, first, I imagine. So if you have any tips, I would be interested in your expertise, that is if you care to share it. If not, totally fine.
There is Neale "Vance" Davidson's Starship Toolkits - http://jaynz.trekships.org/view_gall...y_Toolkits.idx

There's also his old black and white versions - http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/vance.php - scroll to the bottom.

That's an easy way to get started whipping ships together. You can start learning your photo edit skills slowly be cause you only need to do minor editing here and there rather than draw whole ships from scratch.
Thank you! This is exactly what I am looking for.
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Old June 15 2013, 06:57 PM   #221
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SubCom - go get a free program called Paint.Net. The interface and layout is very similar to MS Paint but it does SO much more.

The one feature you need to get the hang of quickly is layers. Think of them as a stack of clear sheets that you're drawing different parts of your artwork on. As you work, you need to keep an eye on which layer you're on so you put stuff in the right one and don't screw up another layer (There is a multi-step Undo/Redo to help you get back to where you went off course, though.)

Anyway, what I do is take each of the three views of a ship or part and put each one on a separate layer. I then add two "alignment" layers - one in red, one in blue.



Blue lines are used to check alignment of details from one view to the other. Red is there basically for the diagonal to be able to transpose between front and side views.

As good as Neale's stuff is, there is the occasional detail that doesn't line up from one view to the next. The blue lines help you find those so you can decide if they're worth fixing.

On the Coventry hull, look at the two squares on either side of the B/C deck in the front view. That's supposed to be the big engineering structure from the top and side views.



On the Constitution secondary hull, look at the alignment of the shuttle bay beacon and phasers.

The red/blue lines will also help you line up components from one view to the next as you assemble your ship views. Put a part on one view and then transpose reference points to the other views to see where the corresponding part view needs to land.
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Old June 15 2013, 09:55 PM   #222
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2D draughting 101 - very well put

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Old June 16 2013, 03:16 PM   #223
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^A lesson I myself always forget. I still draw everything on a single layer in Corel. It does bite me in the ass on occassion. But I'm too busy drawing to remember abou silly things like layers.
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Old June 16 2013, 04:55 PM   #224
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^A lesson I myself always forget. I still draw everything on a single layer in Corel. It does bite me in the ass on occassion. But I'm too busy drawing to remember abou silly things like layers.
Really? I can't image doing something like that on a single layer! Madness!

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Old June 17 2013, 03:13 AM   #225
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^A lesson I myself always forget. I still draw everything on a single layer in Corel. It does bite me in the ass on occassion. But I'm too busy drawing to remember abou silly things like layers.
Really? I can't image doing something like that on a single layer! Madness!

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