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Old June 15 2013, 05:51 AM   #16
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Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

I like the Okudas' "explanation" for Cochrane: extensive radiation poisoning made him look older! Plus some alcohol abusers just look older. And when the Companion "revived" him, it was either to an "idealized" state, or what he would have looked like if he didn't go through a nuclear holocaust! Bit of a stretch, but what isn't with Trek continuity?!

As far as Cromwell being too old for the part, I seem to recall talk that the studio/filmamkers wanted Tom Hanks for the role. And Hanks was/is a big Trek fan, but it just didn't happen (scheduling? I suppose I could look it up, but I've never heard anything concrete saying he was officially offered the role). Could've worked, but may have overshadowed the regular cast.
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Old June 15 2013, 06:43 AM   #17
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What are they going to do, put blue contacts on Shatner? I can't imagine the studio would want to put hazel contacts on Pine.
Actually, my blue eyes are more hazel these days. They've been slowly changing.

And maybe Retinax 5 allergy can affect eye colour?
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Old June 15 2013, 07:21 AM   #18
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Heck, Tom Hardy didn't look that much like Patrick Stewart, even with the prosthetics they put on him and with the lines explaining how the shape of his face was changed by the beatings he got growing up. But ultimately their relative appearance didn't matter, because they were actors just pretending to be these characters, and part of being an audience is agreeing to play along with the pretense and suspend disbelief.
I didn't ever believe Hardy was Picard's clone.
He didn't look like him, act like him and was evil and have a lame excuse for being a clone. There was nothing to connect them, appearance was the least of my concerns.

Just as I never ever believed that Sybok was Spock's brother let alone a son of Sarek.

NuSpock and nuKirk don't really look like the originals but at least they try at some of the mannerisms. And basically they've got an excuse - its a reboot.
Most think Urban's an excellent McCoy but they have different eye colour and Urban is just gorgeous (no offense deForest Kelley but I have to give Urban the nod).
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Old June 15 2013, 07:55 AM   #19
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What are they going to do, put blue contacts on Shatner? I can't imagine the studio would want to put hazel contacts on Pine.
Actually, my blue eyes are more hazel these days. They've been slowly changing.

And maybe Retinax 5 allergy can affect eye colour?
In the alternate timeline of JJ, medical science has also advanced, so *NEW!* Retinax 6 has a low allergic reaction rate. Side affects may include: loss of forehead ridges, erect antenae, painful "Riker manuevers" and "Bolian Gout". Consult your physician...
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Old June 15 2013, 10:27 AM   #20
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Spock Prime also recognized Scotty on sight.

Not to mention that nobody ever asked Saavik why she got extensive cosmetic surgery right after Spock died,
Obviously, Saavik was shot in the face sometime between TWOK and TSFS. Luckily, McCoy was able to save her life and reconstruct a face for her.
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Old June 15 2013, 10:37 AM   #21
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Luckily, McCoy was able to save her life and reconstruct a face for her.
"Saavik, have you changed your face?"

"It's still regulation, Admiral."
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Old June 15 2013, 12:18 PM   #22
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Why is that, CommishSleer or were you just kidding?

I thought James Cromwell was perfectly cast to play an older Glenn Corbett.
I am serious. Its just the change in characteristics I didn't like - not the appearance. From good ol' American hero to washed up selfish drunkard.

I had no problem if it was a different character altogether. Oh no I sound like the people who hate Cumberbatch's Khan.

Since FC was such a good movie, it doesn't really matter and I'm not going to complain about it for 20 years - just now and then
Had they gotten Tom Hanks as initially intended, he would have been a lot closer to the TOS Cochrane I guess.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:16 PM   #23
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NuSpock and nuKirk don't really look like the originals but at least they try at some of the mannerisms. And basically they've got an excuse - its a reboot.
The other cases have an excuse too: It's not real, they're hiring actors to pretend to be these people, and they'd be pretty foolish if they made physical resemblance a higher priority than talent. Obviously the ideal is to find someone who's as close a physical match for the other guy as possible (or close enough to pass as family if you're casting a sibling) while also being the best actor you can find and the one who has the best chemistry with the other guy. But the odds of getting both of those things at once are extremely low, and if you have to choose between resemblance and talent/chemistry, obviously resemblance is going to take a back seat. Hell, I take it back. That's not even an excuse, because there's nothing to excuse. It's just basic, common-sense good casting. Resemblance is nice, but it's not more important than getting the best performer.

Although, granted, sometimes there can be too little resemblance. I definitely would've preferred Hanks to Cromwell as Cochrane.
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Old June 15 2013, 04:49 PM   #24
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What are they going to do, put blue contacts on Shatner? I can't imagine the studio would want to put hazel contacts on Pine.
Actually, my blue eyes are more hazel these days. They've been slowly changing.

And maybe Retinax 5 allergy can affect eye colour?
Hmm. Well, at the age of 50 my blue eyes are still blue. But everybody's different.

I'm sure the writers could come up with some gobbledegook explanation for why Jim Kirk's eye color changed and why his height shrunk by three inches. But to me, it would feel forced. It's all make-believe but I want to be able to suspend my disbelief while I'm watching the film. I can do that as long as Pine and Shatner don't appear in scenes together.

And I also agree about Patrick Stewart and Tom Hardy, which was one of my problems with that film. It's like they got an actor who was about the same height and build as Patrick, then shaved his head and figured: Hey, they're practically twins! Forget the fact that the two men's faces were completely different and their voices sounded completely different too.

We all have our little pet peeves and things that take us out of the story. This is one of mine.
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Old June 15 2013, 05:18 PM   #25
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I have Hazel eyes. Yet people often think they're blue or brown. It's all a trick of the light.
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Old June 15 2013, 05:43 PM   #26
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And I also agree about Patrick Stewart and Tom Hardy, which was one of my problems with that film. It's like they got an actor who was about the same height and build as Patrick, then shaved his head and figured: Hey, they're practically twins! Forget the fact that the two men's faces were completely different and their voices sounded completely different too.
As I said, they did put a prosthetic nose and chin on Hardy to increase his resemblance to Stewart. So they weren't as careless about it as you imply. They did the best they could with the face they had.

But, again, would you have been happier if they'd cast someone who looked just like the young Stewart but couldn't act worth a damn? What's more important, appearance or performance?
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Old June 15 2013, 05:46 PM   #27
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I thought Tom Hardy did a great job with the material he was given. He wasn't the weakness in Nemesis, the script was.
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Old June 15 2013, 06:05 PM   #28
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Although I joked with my family while watching that Hardy didn't much resemble Stewart (who does look like 20something Patrick Stewart? 70something Patrick Stewart. The poor guy was born old, I think), I was able to suspend my disbelief and enjoy Nemesis. Likewise Nimoy and Quinto's Spocks, despite one having earlobes and the other not (and FWIW, I'm almost certain they built up Nimoy's nose in the meeting-of-the-Spocks at the end of STXI, so he would closer resemble Quinto)

Slightly off-topic, I'm curious how X-Men: First Class will handle Ian McKellon and Matthew Fassbender in the same movie as Magneto, when they look and sound absolutely nothing alike.
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Old June 15 2013, 06:25 PM   #29
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Yes. They are the same person.

Everyone in the nuTrek universe is the exact same person as in the oldTrek universe and looks identical to them, including Chekov.
Except Chekov is the one we know is a different age, about 4 years older in nuTrek... but since his birth is after the timeline change, that's allowed. But that means nuTrek Chekov is not actually oldTrek Chekov. A different kid with the same name born to the same parents but at a different time.
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Old June 15 2013, 06:30 PM   #30
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Yes. They are the same person.

Everyone in the nuTrek universe is the exact same person as in the oldTrek universe and looks identical to them, including Chekov.
Except Chekov is the one we know is a different age, about 4 years older in nuTrek... but since his birth is after the timeline change, that's allowed. But that means nuTrek Chekov is not actually oldTrek Chekov. A different kid with the same name born to the same parents but at a different time.
Mama and Papa Chekov were convinced the universe was ending when they heard about what happened to the Kelvin and decided to get "busy" five years earlier.
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