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Old June 15 2013, 12:16 AM   #31
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Re: Voyagers ending, redone.

You didn't like the lonely people at the window in space ending of DS9?

I loved the ambiguity of DS9's finale, could have done without the montage though.
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Old June 15 2013, 12:48 AM   #32
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You didn't like the lonely people at the window in space ending of DS9?

I loved the ambiguity of DS9's finale, could have done without the montage though.
For me, they might have continued the obvious Odysseus parallel by having Janeway giving up Starfleet, just as Odysseus had to give up the sea in order to get home safe. Starfleet wants to prosecute the Maquis, and use Seven and the Doctor in experiments. In the process they end up exposing and taking down Section 31. In the end, Janeway could resign her commission as part of a deal to keep the Maquis, the Doctor, and Seven safe from judicial and scientific exploitation, or go public about what they are planning to do with the Voyager heroes. Ending with her and Seven walking down the road to meet Gretchen and the family in Bloomington.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:14 AM   #33
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Re: Voyagers ending, redone.

Captain Janeway 20 seconds after the final credits started rolling was going to jail for crimes she was "about" to commit.

In a novel, the current day time cops were about to throw Janeway in jail forever for (what a future version of herself, as as well as she herself did, playing along with a bastard from the future giving her orders on how to turn time on it's ass) messing with timeline, when their 29th century counterparts appeared and said "No, let her go this was part of history." Which if you really think about it, doesn't change shit. She had broken the law like it didn't exist, but just because the law needed to be broken, Janeway gets saved by some fricking Robin Hood loophole even though she was completely ignorant about how Robin Hood she was? Janeway had already done what she needed to do to maintain the integrity of "a good" timeline, and it doesn't matter if the time cops from the "good" 29th century manipulated and railroaded her (or/and Admiral Janeway) into viciously changing time, because it only establishes a weakness in her character to remorselessly destroy time, because Kathryn had wittingly done a bad thing to ignorantly do a good thing, there can't have been a reason to reward her with a get out of jail card if after destroying the borg that nothing she is still yet to do is still vital to the integrity of the timeline?

Oh.

The Department of Temporal Affairs couldn't throw Kathy in jail because she still had things to do (in the novels).

Fricking time travellers with heir half truth bullshit.

When finally this woman has run out of important things to do for the history books: THEY ARE GOING TO LYNCH HER.

(In the novel, it was the 29th century Time cops singing Ding Dong the Borg are dead! Give the girl a slap on her back! But not only were the Borg not completely dead, but the Borg went on to kill 63 billion people in their next scrimmage... Which means that either time deviated from the good 29th century or the Good 29th century is a pack of hyena's who needed 63 billion people to die and needed Janeway to be responsible for the death of 63 billion people, and needed the present day time cops and the present day federation council to allow themselves to talk them selves into the destruction of 40 percent of the Federation by agreeing to issues and potentialities which they in no way understood.

Next time some timecop from the 29th century shows up with sage advice and majestic orders couched in words like "destiny", any one from 2381 onwards is probably going to blow their fricking faces through. Seriously! How is a human head like a window? When you shoot a hole through it the size of a cat flap.)
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Old June 15 2013, 03:05 AM   #34
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I think the Endgame episode should be written off as a dream. Janeway awakens after having thiis incredible dream about coming home but, alas, it is only a dream. There she and the rest of Voyager crew are....still in the Delta Quadrant. Now,they need to find their own way home without the help of the future Janeway. Perhaps they have to battle to Borg to get to those transwarp hubs or whatever. And perhaps once they get through each hub it must be destroyed to keep the relentless Borg at bay. Or perhaps, the Species 8274 (I think) is reasserting itself as a hostile alien to contend with. In any case, it is a struggle and we don't know for sure that they make it until near the end. And yes, it would be nice to see some of the aftermath of arriving back home. I understand that Star Trek doesn't want to be to too sappy but just a 2 second shot of seeing the earth was not good enough at all. It was completely unsatisfying.
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Old June 15 2013, 03:23 AM   #35
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Sappy?

Watch Dark Frontier some time.

I wanted to see Seven vs the Queen in an hour long wrestling watch.

What I got was 60 minutes of I miss my daddy, oh, yeah, and I might have had a mommy too, before they finally remembered to inject some good vs evil/fate of the universe "meat" into that silly story.
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Old June 15 2013, 08:57 AM   #36
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As long as it's mud wrestling. It would be efficient.
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Old June 15 2013, 10:28 AM   #37
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What is this whole deal with mud, jello etc.. I don't get it at all.
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Old June 15 2013, 10:30 AM   #38
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The honest answer is that it hurts the girls less when they fall over.

That's all we care about, their health and safety.
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Old June 15 2013, 10:32 AM   #39
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That's so sweet. And I guess that's why you don't want them bogged down in extra layers of clothing either. They could drown in regular clothes with all that mud!
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Old June 15 2013, 10:38 AM   #40
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Mud is good for their skin.

It counteracts sun damage.
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Old June 15 2013, 11:12 AM   #41
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Your dermatological know how is impressive.
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Old June 15 2013, 11:29 AM   #42
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Mud is good for their skin.

It counteracts sun damage.
It also helps to hide them from Predators
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Old June 15 2013, 11:39 AM   #43
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It also helps to hide them from Predators
I don't know about that. Sometimes it seems to attract them.


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Old June 15 2013, 11:57 AM   #44
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You're perfectly aware that we don't know if that's you, or a celebrity politician?
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Old June 15 2013, 12:04 PM   #45
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Yes yes it's ME!!!

I am fishfaced redhead with terrible taste in jackets. I RULE! With my diddly little fist.
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