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Old June 14 2013, 08:32 PM   #46
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Re: Was I the only one who disliked Far Beyond the Stars?

I did not care for it much myself.
It was a novelty to see the characters (sometimes without their iconic makeup), but that is the only good point.
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Old June 14 2013, 08:33 PM   #47
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I think Avery Brooks' breakdown at the end is one of the best Trek moments.
I find it one of Brooks' hammiest moments (and let's face it, he had plenty to choose from!)
People who have breakdowns tend to be hammy.
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Old June 14 2013, 09:34 PM   #48
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Not impressed with Avery Brook's embarrassingly bad over-acting on display in the episode either.
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I've seen people in extreme emotional states and Brooks isn't overacting. His character is vulnerable, not cool, and that may not be pleasant viewing. Not the same thing at all.
Anyone who thinks Brooks was overacting in that episode, be grateful that your life experience hasn't taught you just how realistic his portrayal of Benny's emotional distress was. IMO, Brooks does sometimes overact, but this episode wasn't one of those times.

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The setting was hilarious! Pulp sci fi magazine, it was perfect.
Yes, it was. The theme was appropriate for the time period, the setting tied it in nicely, and I don't believe that this episode was over rated at all. I think it is one of DS9's highlights.
I agree with you guys.
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Old June 14 2013, 09:45 PM   #49
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Re: Was I the only one who disliked Far Beyond the Stars?

Ziyal is 100% correct.
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Old June 14 2013, 09:54 PM   #50
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Anyone who thinks Brooks was overacting in that episode, be grateful that your life experience hasn't taught you just how realistic his portrayal of Benny's emotional distress was. IMO, Brooks does sometimes overact, but this episode wasn't one of those times.
Completely agree with this.

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Old June 14 2013, 10:52 PM   #51
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Indeed, he acted very good in that episode
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Old June 15 2013, 04:02 AM   #52
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Not impressed with Avery Brook's embarrassingly bad over-acting on display in the episode either.
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I've seen people in extreme emotional states and Brooks isn't overacting. His character is vulnerable, not cool, and that may not be pleasant viewing. Not the same thing at all.
Anyone who thinks Brooks was overacting in that episode, be grateful that your life experience hasn't taught you just how realistic his portrayal of Benny's emotional distress was. IMO, Brooks does sometimes overact, but this episode wasn't one of those times.

Very presumptuous (and foolish) of you to assume anything about a stranger's life experience based off of their opinion of an actor's performance.

I think Brooks did a terrible job in that scene and plenty of other people agree. It's cringe worthy.

On the other hand many people think it was award worthy or something. To each their own.

It says nothing whatsoever about you as a person for feeling either way.
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Old June 15 2013, 04:10 AM   #53
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Extremely presumptuous of you to assume anything about my life experience.

I think Brooks did a terrible job in that scene and plenty of other people agree. You're not going to change anyone's mind by being condescending.
They're hardly being condescending, Mr. Homn. They're merely sharing an assessment arrived at through life experience. Anyone who's seen another person suffer an emotional breakdown of the kind Benny Russell had knows that Avery Brooks' acting was spot-on. That's not to say Brooks didn't have his "over-the-top" moments. He most certainly did; however, that scene wasn't one of them.

You're welcome to believe what you wish. I won't presume to know anything about your life experiences. I would caution you, however, that assuming you're right simply because other people agree with you isn't the best perspective to have.

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Old June 15 2013, 04:12 AM   #54
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Extremely presumptuous of you to assume anything about my life experience.

I think Brooks did a terrible job in that scene and plenty of other people agree. You're not going to change anyone's mind by being condescending.
They're hardly being condescending, Mr. Homn. They're merely sharing an assessment arrived at through life experience. Anyone who's seen another person suffer an emotional breakdown of the kind Benny Russell had knows that Avery Brooks' acting was spot-on. That's not to say Brooks didn't have his "over-the-top" moments. He most certainly did; however, that scene wasn't one of them.

You're welcome to believe what you wish. I won't presume to know anything about your life experiences. I would caution you, however, that assuming you're right simply because other people agree with you isn't the best perspective to have.

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Condescending perhaps wasn't the best word to use (in the interest of avoiding an argument), which is why I edited it out a minute later and rephrased my thoughts.

I do however think it's condescending to say or imply "anyone who doesn't like this performance just doesn't have enough life experience" . It's a completely ridiculous thing to say.

That's not "merely sharing an assessment arrived at through life experience".

If they said "I feel this is an accurate portrayal based on my experience" that would be one thing. It's a completely different thing to say or imply that if you don't agree with them then you just haven't had enough life experience or you don't know what you are talking about.
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Old June 15 2013, 04:17 AM   #55
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I do however think it's condescending to say "anyone who doesn't like this performance just doesn't have enough life experience" . It's a completely ridiculous thing to say.
I might agree with you except that I don't think they were saying that at all. What they were saying is that their life experiences are different, not that another person must automatically have less life experience or life experiences of a lesser quality.

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Old June 15 2013, 04:25 AM   #56
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I do however think it's condescending to say "anyone who doesn't like this performance just doesn't have enough life experience" . It's a completely ridiculous thing to say.
I might agree with you except that I don't think they were saying that at all. What they were saying is that their life experiences are different, not that another person must automatically have less life experience or life experiences of a lesser quality.

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To me it sounded more like "You just haven't been through enough or seen enough if you don't think this is a good performance.. Maybe you will learn one day"

Perhaps they did not intend it that way, but either way it is silly to assume anything about a stranger based off a simple opinion of an actor's performance.

"...be grateful that your life experience hasn't taught you just how realistic his portrayal of Benny's emotional distress was. "
No, it still sounds condescending. Just calling it like I see it.
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Old June 15 2013, 04:28 AM   #57
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Just calling it like I see it.
On this point we agree.

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Old June 15 2013, 04:29 AM   #58
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Just calling it like I see it.
On this point we agree.

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Old June 15 2013, 03:51 PM   #59
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I found Lofton's acting far more grating than Brooks'. He's great as Jake but this episode proved his lack of range.

I love the idea of this episode but the script was just so on the nose.
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Old June 16 2013, 03:04 AM   #60
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Everyone seems to rave over it.

But

I found the whole thing well boring.......


I watch startrek for the science fictions. The whole them of future and space ect

I don't watch startrek to sit and watch a 1950's drama about racism.

Thge only good thing about the whole thing was the acting.

By the way I find most holodeck episodes boring as hell too.
I polled the local electorate, and the answer to your question is "yes."
You are incorrect.

I did not find it boring but I DID find it on the nose and simplistic. Add to it the almost universal praise it receives, which I always took as "Look at me hopping on the PC bandwagon and liking this episode! I'm a GOOD PERSON!!!"

Throw in Brooks' usual overwrought, I WILL E-NUN-SEE-ATE E-VERRR-REEE SILL-UH-BULL delivery and it is virtually unwatchable to me.


So no, the OP is NOT the only person that dislikes this ep.
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