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Old June 15 2013, 01:46 AM   #196
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It wasn't just advertisers in the 60s that led to more black and female roles; the three networks at that time also had serious fears about potential government intervention.

But, this doesn't change the point much.
Thanks for adding more information to the debate, Harvey.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:48 AM   #197
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It wasn't just advertisers in the 60s that led to more black and female roles; the three networks at that time also had serious fears about potential government intervention.

But, this doesn't change the point much.
Thanks for adding more information to the debate, Harvey.
Kudos. And governments were influenced by lobbying.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:48 AM   #198
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Despite being way smarter and more efficient than me a lot of them lack the confidence to go for promotion.
Women are just like men. Some are smart, some aren't. Some are confident, some aren't. Some are assholes, some aren't.

You tell my wife she needs a man to fight her battles for her and she'll punch you in the mouth.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:49 AM   #199
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Someone posted a screencap showing several women in attendance.
I think you're thinking of the meeting prior to the attack on Daystrom. I could only spot one woman in the Marcus' meeting after the attack.
Because they were all killed!!!!

Typical Hollywood!!!
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I'm still not seeing how the average woman is going to know that Star Trek is a bit light on women in speaking roles. Are you suggesting that women should check the cast list of every movie before going?
This is the age of instantaneous communication and the information isn't hard at all to come by. If it's important, then it should be worth the effort.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:56 AM   #201
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Despite being way smarter and more efficient than me a lot of them lack the confidence to go for promotion.
Women are just like men. Some are smart, some aren't. Some are confident, some aren't. Some are assholes, some aren't.

You tell my wife she needs a man to fight her battles for her and she'll punch you in the mouth.
Would she reject my support if I agreed with her position though? She may not need me to fight her battles for her but if there is a battle to be fought isn't more support better?

Ask your wife if she thinks that actresses should get less work than actors because the jobs are not made available for women. I'd be interested to hear her perspective, although
every man and woman for him/herself was the worst aspect of Thatcherism in the UK. I can't bring myself to subscribe to that philosophy. It isn't very Star Trek.

I still think lobbying is the way to go based on the evidence I've seen so far.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:58 AM   #202
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Ask your wife if she thinks that actresses should get less work than actors because the jobs are not made available for women.
She's buying tickets to the movies that you are complaining about. So obviously she is okay with it, because its entertainment.
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Ask your wife if she thinks that actresses should get less work than actors because the jobs are not made available for women.
She's buying tickets to the movies that you are complaining about. So obviously she is okay with it, because its entertainment.
Context is key. Ask the question and see what she says.

Most of the women I know don't even think about it at all but when asked the question they agree that actresses should get more roles. If your wife doesn't feel that way, I'd be very interested to know her reasons.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:04 AM   #204
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Ask your wife if she thinks that actresses should get less work than actors because the jobs are not made available for women.
She's buying tickets to the movies that you are complaining about. So obviously she is okay with it, because its entertainment.
Context is key. Ask the question and see what she says.
No it's not. Because you're implying that she is purchasing a product that she knows nothing about because she's a girl. Shouldn't you be letting that old prejudice go?
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Old June 15 2013, 02:05 AM   #205
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Huh...

Another girl that needs a man to fight her battles for her:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...er-to-the-nfl/

If Thomas earns an NFL job through the ordinary channels, that would be something to celebrate. But Dean Blandino, the NFL’s vice president of officiating, is making clear that the NFL will hire Thomas only if she’s the best person for the job, not to make a statement. The NFL has been evaluating Thomas as a potential official for a few years now.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:07 AM   #206
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She's buying tickets to the movies that you are complaining about. So obviously she is okay with it, because its entertainment.
Context is key. Ask the question and see what she says.
No it's not. Because you're implying that she is purchasing a product that she knows nothing about because she's a girl. Shouldn't you be letting that old prejudice go?
I've never met your wife so I don't know what she'll say. I can only tell you what I've found when I've asked the question.

Ask the question and see what she says.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:11 AM   #207
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I just text her (she's at work).

But you're likely not going to like her answer. She's a "guy" girl.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:16 AM   #208
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I just text her (she's at work).

But you're likely not going to like her answer. She's a "guy" girl.
Lol - not every girl will agree with my perspective and not every man will agree with yours but as I say, I'd be interested to see what she says either way.

And context IS key. The way in which you phrased the question could well affect the way in which she answers. I'm a lawyer, remember, I know this to be very true - lol.

I have to sleep now though. I've spent far too much time on this thread! But I will check in to see her response tomorrow!
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I have to sleep now though. I've spent far too much time on this thread! But I will check in to see her response tomorrow!
A good debate is always fun.
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My 14 year old girl refuses to see STID as she doesn't like science fiction. Yet 'Hunger Games' is her favourite movie.
This is one of the very few movies that has a female 'hero'.
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