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View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 28 11.16%
A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
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D 10 3.98%
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Old June 15 2013, 01:21 AM   #136
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Well it's kinda odd since Superman has probably killed a bunch of people while fighting Zod and his cronies
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Old June 15 2013, 01:29 AM   #137
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An enjoyable movie that gets my stamp of approval, but really that's it. It's not bad, but it's not really "holy shit, that was awesome!!!111oneone". There's a decent storyline, hitting all the generic notes about finding your place in life and all that usual stuff. Some great action scenes which are at times really badass and some really cool stuff involving soldiers and fighter jets. It makes for a fun afternoon at the movies, but it's not really particularly memorable or noteworthy. The non-linear story with all the flashbacks took some getting used to. It's not a format I'm opposed to, but the way it's handled isn't among my favourite storytelling methods either.

Strangely enough, I found myself being distracted by really silly and trivial issues. Like just how much money are they going to have to sink to repair all that damage? All those buildings, a decent portion of a city completely wiped out isn't going to be cheap to fix. At the end, the General gets pissed at Superman for taking out that surveillance drone that costs twelve million. A building several storeys tall collapses, that ain't going to be cheap to fix.

And yeah, I usually don't mind shaky cam, but damn this movie wore it out completely. Honestly, I have trouble believing they hired a cameraman who knows how to hold a camera. And lens flares, I am so sick of lens flares, and guess what this movie has an abundance of? It's not quite as bad as the Abrams Trek movies, but it's still pretty bad.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:29 AM   #138
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Well it's kinda odd since Superman has probably killed a bunch of people while fighting Zod and his cronies
I'm sure the death toll would be pretty high if the events of either Universe occurred in the real world.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:43 AM   #139
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The death toll, and the way it's basically glossed over, is my biggest issue with the film. Superman felt anguish over his decision to defeat Zod - where was the similar anguish over the consequences of the battle which, while necessary, perhaps, was utterly devastating?

Other criticisms, like shaky cam, focusing on a unified character (rather than the secret identity angle) and "donning the suit not being epic enough" are simply stylistic choices. I guess ignoring the death toll is a style now, too (see: Avengers, Transformers, etc.) but for this film, which makes such a big deal about safeguarding and saving lives, ignoring the cost is, to me, a more relevant flaw in terms of the film's internal consistency.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:52 AM   #140
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That's kinda what I was getting at, it's a big decision for him because he is about to kill a family? How many are dead cause of that fight?!
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Old June 15 2013, 01:52 AM   #141
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The estimates for the 4-day cumulative box office on this one are now ranging from 126 to 132 million - looks like 43 to 48 million for Friday alone, according to Deadline.

Damn, that Rotten Tomatoes review average is killing this film!
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Old June 15 2013, 01:59 AM   #142
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^ I saw the 11am, 2D show at the local dive theater (no stadium seating, less than a dozen screens - in Queens with plenty of high-end venues close by) and the seats were more than half-full, some with kids whose parents took them out of school. The film is going to make a killing (pun intended), and deservedly so. I hope it makes at least a half-a-billion bucks in the NA market, alone.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:14 AM   #143
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Lots of people will enjoy it, it's very Transformers-esque is how I can best describe it especially if critic ratings don't match up with audience opinion.
I am not ashamed to watch mindless action. I liked the movie Battleship, John Carter and the first and third transformer movie. Plus Superman is by far my favorite Superhero. I have no worries about the film. In mine line of work I need to have some mindless action and escapism from time to time.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:22 AM   #144
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...but for this film, which makes such a big deal about safeguarding and saving lives, ignoring the cost is, to me, a more relevant flaw in terms of the film's internal consistency.
But isn't this something that could be touched on in a relevant way in a sequel? I would hate for them to only give such an event lip service at the end of the film.

Haven't seen it yet, but am going to go with the wife tomorrow.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:31 AM   #145
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The estimates for the 4-day cumulative box office on this one are now ranging from 126 to 132 million - looks like 43 to 48 million for Friday alone, according to Deadline.

Damn, that Rotten Tomatoes review average is killing this film!
I know, it's as bad as ST:ID!
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Old June 15 2013, 02:34 AM   #146
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...but for this film, which makes such a big deal about safeguarding and saving lives, ignoring the cost is, to me, a more relevant flaw in terms of the film's internal consistency.
But isn't this something that could be touched on in a relevant way in a sequel? I would hate for them to only give such an event lip service at the end of the film.

Haven't seen it yet, but am going to go with the wife tomorrow.
Ya, it could definitely be part of a sequel. And I'd love it, if that were the case. Even so, this film still needed something to refer back to it, however minor, if only as setup for the next film. Instead, in the denouement, there's a joke about the cost of a $12M drone.

Mind you, I don't think this is a critical issue. It's not something that invalidates the film as a whole or ruins what was otherwise a mostly enjoyable experience. But for me, at least, it's the biggest flaw - and considering the scale ... the flaw looms kinda large not to at least acknowledge it in this film.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:51 AM   #147
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Pretty good. Plundering some old science fiction to give Superman a real story works out.

Some minuses of course. Hans Zimmer's slow bang, bang, bang is tiresome. The direction doesn't use the 3D very effectively. The fight scenes drag, especially the completely unnecessary and undesirable mano a mano with Zod.
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Old June 15 2013, 03:02 AM   #148
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Next film will see Lex Luthor and Bruce Wayne in a gripping bidding war to win contracts to rebuild Metropolis. Yes, Luthor will be involved in yet another real estate scheme.
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Old June 15 2013, 03:05 AM   #149
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I was amused by the Lexcorp (sic) tankers that got 'sploded in the climactic battle.
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Old June 15 2013, 03:05 AM   #150
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Next film will see Lex Luthor and Bruce Wayne in a gripping bidding war to win contracts to rebuild Metropolis. Yes, Luthor will be involved in yet another real estate scheme.
I look forward to seeing Lex Luthor FINALLY getting one of his real estate schemes to work and end up owning Metropolis in these films!
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