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View Poll Results: Will you be getting a PS4 and/or Xbox One ?
I'll get both 10 11.11%
Staying with Playstation (PS3 to PS4) 47 52.22%
Staying with Xbox (360 to One) 12 13.33%
Changing to Playstation (360 to PS4) 21 23.33%
Changing to Xbox (PS3 to One) 0 0%
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Old June 14 2013, 07:35 PM   #46
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No matter what people say here or at IGN/Gamespot/the million other video gaming sites.. the XBO will most likely be a success and Sony won't dominate the market like the did during the PS1 and PS2 days. That's over once MS established itself in the market and permanently grabbed a piece of the pie.

Well, as Sony has demonstrated in the past, even the big guys fall. It happened to Sony when they had been big the previous generation, and it can happen to MS. There's no such thing in an industry as too big to fail. It all comes down to how they market them, the PR, and word of mouth. Even Nintendo got a little too confident with their Wii U after the success of the Wii. They didn't market it properly and look at what happened. The winds can change swiftly.
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Old June 14 2013, 08:02 PM   #47
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Third-console-itis. Sega did it with the Saturn, Nintendo did it with the 64, Sony with the PS3 now MS with the Xbox One.
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Old June 14 2013, 08:27 PM   #48
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Continuing to get the Playstation range.
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Old June 14 2013, 08:28 PM   #49
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Third-console-itis. Sega did it with the Saturn, Nintendo did it with the 64, Sony with the PS3 now MS with the Xbox One.

Hah, I hadn't even looked at it that way, but you're right. Interesting how they've all been 3rd generation.
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Old June 14 2013, 08:31 PM   #50
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Yeah, the Gameboy Advance as well.

Although, Famicon - NES -SNES worked out pretty well for Nintendo.
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Old June 14 2013, 08:33 PM   #51
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Yeah, the Gameboy Advance as well.

Although, Famicon - NES -SNES worked out pretty well for Nintendo.
Famicom was just the original name for the NES. SNES was Super Famicom.
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Old June 14 2013, 08:37 PM   #52
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Yeah, the Gameboy Advance as well.

Although, Famicon - NES -SNES worked out pretty well for Nintendo.
Famicom was just the original name for the NES. SNES was Super Famicom.
Odd, most references I've found differentiate the two. That makes the N64 the third, which was also a pretty solid console.
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Old June 14 2013, 08:42 PM   #53
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Yeah, the Gameboy Advance as well.

Although, Famicon - NES -SNES worked out pretty well for Nintendo.
Famicom was just the original name for the NES. SNES was Super Famicom.
Odd, most references I've found differentiate the two. That makes the N64 the third, which was also a pretty solid console.
Decent console, so is the PS3 but they got over confident and insisted on cartridges which drove up costs and limited storage space, drive up production costs and alienating customers and developers.

Famicom was the Japanese version of the NES, they were promoted more as a family computer, when it became the NES for western audiences it was advertise as a games machine mostly for kids, which is where the distinction probably comes in.
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Old June 14 2013, 08:43 PM   #54
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XBOX One must fail or it'll destroy gaming.
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PPS: you should have another poll option: "I'm a PC Gamer"
What is Xbox One doing with DRM that Steam (the only choice for playing most major games on PC nowadays thanks to Steamworks) isn't already doing as restrictive or more so?
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Old June 16 2013, 03:37 AM   #55
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Third-console-itis. Sega did it with the Saturn, Nintendo did it with the 64, Sony with the PS3 now MS with the Xbox One.
Yeah technically the 64 was second place for that generation. Nintendo's decline was less catastrophic and more gradual so they didn't hit their nadir til the 'cube.

Overconfidence seems to totally screw over whoever is on top. Without Microsoft we'd be screwed over big time by Sony. Now Sony is the underdog, and the underdog always tries harder and delivers more.I think MS is gonna hurt hugely from this move. It's their "599 US Dollars" moment.

I voted switching to PS4 as my primary(Have PS3 but 360 is my primary console for non-exclusives). However most of Sony's exclusives never interested me, and I may just never upgrade. I've got every major console since the NES and ebay has plenty of games for me to buy still.

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Old June 16 2013, 04:23 AM   #56
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I'm a Sony supporter all the way, and will eventually pick up the PS4, although I won't trade in my PS3 in order to do so, as I still have a HUGE amount of games to experience on the console. The first game I get once I DO pick up a PS4 is probably going to be FFXV, BTW, as I'm a huge fan of that series and the game looks freaking awesome.

I also still have a PS2, which I'll never get rid of either, even though I don't actually play it much any more (although I really ought to).
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Old June 16 2013, 07:10 AM   #57
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Third-console-itis. Sega did it with the Saturn, Nintendo did it with the 64, Sony with the PS3 now MS with the Xbox One.
Yeah technically the 64 was second place for that generation. Nintendo's decline was less catastrophic and more gradual so they didn't hit their nadir til the 'cube.
Again, I'm not saying that the N64 was a bad console, nor the PS3. Just that it seems on their third consoles all console makers seem to get over-confident and do something stupid.
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Old June 16 2013, 03:52 PM   #58
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One thing I'm curious about. With the push towards digital gaming, and the ability to directly download the game, why does the price not change? Should it not be cheaper for you if you download a game for your XBONE? Since there is no reason to purchase a disc anymore, as all the games will be stored on the HD...? This is not necessarily a bash at MS, because as far as I can tell that's the case for all.

Anyway, beyond my little sidetrack there, I will be going with PS4 when it comes time to upgrade from my 360. I only buy used games, so MS will put a major damper on my gaming and it's not worth the hassle.
Put yourself in the CEO seat of any company in the world that can distribute their product digitally and ohysically (most likely video, software, music and such). Would you lower the prices to the exact same amount you save on producing the physical product?

If you did you'd be fired by the board of directors.. period. Any company is solely in the market to maximize its profits and it's an art form the find the sweet spot between price and sold volume.. charge too much and customers will leave so you end up with less revenue. Charge too little and you may get a flood of new customers but you will still not make enough profit because of the low price (and raise prises and customers might leave again).

With videogames the market is even smaller.. you have 2 (if you count Nintendo 3) major companies and prices have settled to a rough equivalent. Why would you lower prices when you know the customer can't switch easily to the competitor because he would need his specialized equipment first (and only a small fraction of gamers really own both consoles). So he'll either quit gaming (very unrealistic) or pay your prices through clenched teeth.

A simple equation and you'd need put in active work to drive away your customer once you have him.

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No matter what people say here or at IGN/Gamespot/the million other video gaming sites.. the XBO will most likely be a success and Sony won't dominate the market like the did during the PS1 and PS2 days. That's over once MS established itself in the market and permanently grabbed a piece of the pie.

Well, as Sony has demonstrated in the past, even the big guys fall. It happened to Sony when they had been big the previous generation, and it can happen to MS. There's no such thing in an industry as too big to fail. It all comes down to how they market them, the PR, and word of mouth. Even Nintendo got a little too confident with their Wii U after the success of the Wii. They didn't market it properly and look at what happened. The winds can change swiftly.
Sony didn't fall.. they just got a competitor with very deep pockets and the will to make it in the videogaming indústry because it is a huge business. MS too deep hits to their pockets in the first and second generation of Xbox (first was to establish itself in the market and the 360 because of the insane volume of RROD problems).

Sony also gambled and fumbled the ball a bit during the PS3 generation.. very high initial price and the uncertainty where the HD race would end up (luckily it went Blu Ray or the PS3 might have tanked hard). However Sony was protected to a degree by market recognition.. Playstation is a brand name even so far that some people who have absolutely no idea abiut videogaming refer to any console as a Playstation. This built in audience helped Sony keep up with Microsoft who admittedly rolled out some pretty good games for their Xbox franchise and quickly caught uo with Sony who had 2 generations of console experience before MS started.
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What is Xbox One doing with DRM that Steam (the only choice for playing most major games on PC nowadays thanks to Steamworks) isn't already doing as restrictive or more so?
Steam has an offline mode, the Xbox One effectively doesn't. The Xbox One is also region-locked and apparently will not function outside of the 21 countries supported at launch. This is particularly absurd in Europe where only 12 EU states are supported, so if I were to purchase an XBO and bring it with me to Portugal for whatever reason, the games would no longer work.

Some of the stuff on the XBO sounds like an improvement over the likes of Steam, particularly the family sharing stuff, but I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop on that. MS have been so vague on how that would work that it's hard not to conclude that there's some major restrictions that will go along with that, or they're still trying to figure out how to implement it themselves. Either way, I would like the ability to share my Steam library somehow, so I hope Value get pressured into doing something like that.
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What is Xbox One doing with DRM that Steam (the only choice for playing most major games on PC nowadays thanks to Steamworks) isn't already doing as restrictive or more so?
Steam has an offline mode, the Xbox One effectively doesn't. The Xbox One is also region-locked and apparently will not function outside of the 21 countries supported at launch. This is particularly absurd in Europe where only 12 EU states are supported, so a Portuguese person could drive into Spain, purchase an XBO and some games, drive back to Portugal, and be unable to play any of those games because they can't activate them.

Some of the stuff on the XBO sounds like an improvement over the likes of Steam, particularly the family sharing stuff, but I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop on that. MS have been so vague on how that would work that it's hard not to conclude that there's some major restrictions that will go along with that, or they're still trying to figure out how to implement it themselves. Either way, I would like the ability to share my Steam library somehow, so I hope Value get pressured into doing something like that.
I hear Valve have been working on a trade-in system for Steam, where effectively you give up a license to a game for a discount or gift your license to someone else. Haven't heard anything about it in a while though. Right now it seems you can only trade if you have more than one copy of a game.
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