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Old June 14 2013, 03:49 PM   #76
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I can't wait!

ETA: I won't be seeing till next week.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:51 PM   #77
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Old June 14 2013, 03:58 PM   #78
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I just checked RottenTomatoes again, and while critic reviews are at 59%, the audience "liked it" rating is 82% at the moment. Which could be because film critics as a class would be less likely to enjoy the film than its target audience, or because many critics are predisposed to be negative, or because RT's binary ranking system skews the results too low, or because any statistics at this early stage are too much in flux to draw conclusions from. Or all of the above.
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Old June 14 2013, 04:23 PM   #79
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From the enthusiasm and abundance of people in Superman t-shirts last night at my theater, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the box office is going to be a bit bigger than they're expecting.

I live in a semi-rural area (IE, when we moved here 20 years ago we had more cows than people and now that's switched; we even have a 5th traffic light and a McDonalds! lol) and I have not seen a sell-out film in my neck of the woods since Titanic back in 1997. TDK was the biggest since with about 80% theater. Last nights crowd was about on par with what TDKR got last summer, but people where more enthusiastic and energized before+after.

My sister is not a comic-book fan, not a sci-fi fan. She likes "Voyager" because she's met the cast via going along to cons w/me, like TDK because of Heath Ledger, but otherwise she's not into the genre stuff. And even she wants to see MoS again.

I think word-of-mouth will help this film even if opening weekend box office isn't stratospheric. I think MoS will follow in the performance arena of Batman Begins, but do better money wise.
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Old June 14 2013, 04:39 PM   #80
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I was cautious early on but the trailers really won me over. All I'm asking from Snyder is that he delivers a fun movie with heart, something sorely lacking from pretty much everything else he's done.
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Old June 14 2013, 04:44 PM   #81
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Shazam! wrote: View Post
I was cautious early on but the trailers really won me over. All I'm asking from Snyder is that he delivers a fun movie with heart, something sorely lacking from pretty much everything else he's done.
Lot of heart in my opinion. Costner's Pa Kent especially.
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Old June 14 2013, 04:53 PM   #82
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I hope so!
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Old June 14 2013, 04:57 PM   #83
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I voted A-. Spoilers ahead as I'm too stupid to ever get the spoiler code right.


Going in, I had hopes that this film would be the best comic adaptation yet. Cast, writer, producer - I was less enamoured of the director but the trailers convinced me that he'd put aside his Snyder-isms (and to be fair he has). It is a good film but it's not the best comic adaptation ever, indeed, it's not even the best Goyer-Nolan comic adaptation ever. It is, however, the best and most mature Zack Snyder film.

What works: Well, the cast are uniformly brilliant. Not just those you'd expect, the infallibly good Fishburne, Adams, Shannon and Lane. Not just the hit-and-miss vets Costner (who is particularly good) and Crowe. The many tv vets who appear - Chris Meloni, Richard Schiff, Harry Lennix etc - also hit the mark every time. And we even get to see 2 nuBSG actors onscreen together.

And, of course, Mr Cavill is just brilliant. At times funny, at times poignant, lonely, his out-of-his-place Clark/Kal-El/Superman is always charming and pitch-perfect. I was in the camp who would have gladly seen Brandon Routh return but Cavill IS Superman for this era in the same way that Daniel Craig IS James Bond. They each put their own identity on their respective roles, no aping Reeve or Connery.

The action sequences are as great as you'd expect with this budget and, of course, it being a Snyder film, it looks great. Not just the action sequences and the big SFX pieces, but Kansas, Alaska, Metropolis and the little character moments with Cavill, Costner or Lane in the farmhouse.

What didn't work? Well, I think they tried to cram too much into the opening scenes in Krypton; partly to show that this wasn't going to be another Superman Returns and partly to distinguish it from the Donnerverse. Krypton looks lovely and Star Warsy, the costumes and architecture are impressive but I don't know that we needed all the action sequences there. The whole 'Last Son of Krypton' plot ties in with a McGuffin about Superman's origins and Krypton's (possible) future which is frankly a bit silly.

A lot of the Kryptonian imagery and machinery was a little too redolent of the Matrix. Indeed, when you then have a Superman/Zod smackdown which is reminscent of that between Neo and Smith (yes, I know the Matrix copied Superman), with not only said machinery in the background but friggin' Larry Fishburne too(!), you may come away with a sense of deja-vu. Indeed, the action sequences in Metropolis are also quite like those in New York at the end of the Avengers, but I suppose that's an occupational hazard with comic book character movies.


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Jonathan Kent's death is very badly handled. For one thing, his gravestone reads '1951-97.' Ahem - Costner is meant to be 46 (at his oldest!) in this movie - and presumably younger at other stages? Riiiiight.

Added to which, the 1997 scene features Cavill as the 17 year old Clark (we later learn that Clark is 33 in the present day). They had in other flashback scenes used really convincing lookalikes for young Clark, but Henry isn't entirely convincing as a 17 year-old. I can understand why they wanted their leading man in this pivotal scene but it would have made more sense if they'd made modern day Clark a mid-late 20-something and set that scene when he was aged 20 or so. And made Kevin play his own age, FFS.

Anyway, the gist of that scene is that the Kents are driving along and come across a tornado. While Martha and Clark take shelter with other road users, sensible, pragmatic Jonathan, who has grown up in tornado country, goes back to the car to rescue the family dog and gets himself killed. He waves Clark away, as he doesn't want his son to reveal his identity by rescuing him. Now, given that locals already have seen Clark drag a bus out of a river among other tricks, this does seem a rather needless death on his part. Not to mention pretty stupid for a mid-Western farmer.





In the final battle between Superman and Zod, Zod, knowing he has effectively lost, baits Kal-El by using his heat vision to kill a family who are hiding nearby. He taunts Clark about this.

And Superman breaks his friggin' neck and kills him.

Seriously, that's the best solution they could come up with? Yes, it's in defence of others but to have Superman kill his enemy at the end of the film seems a betrayal of the character. Yes, he is then clearly distraught at having had to do so but surely they could have found some way for him to prove that he was cleverer and more resourceful than Zod? I predict this scene proving very controversial.

All in all, though, a good, enjoyable movie. Possibly one which suffered from trying too hard not to be Superman Returns or the Donnerverse, though. I missed the little scenes - the little rescues, the prevention of crimes, the helping people. Indeed, while Metropolis is being smashed to smithereens, we never see Superman recue civilians - Perry and another journalist have to save Jenny (Olsen?) by themselves.

Perhaps now with the need to be different from Returns out of the way, Snyder and co can include a little more character and thoughtfulness in the second movie. Then we might indeed have the best comic adaptation ever! For now - back over to you Mr Singer (DOFP!)
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Old June 14 2013, 06:38 PM   #84
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Hmm, from what I'm hearing, the 2D is probably the best version to see with this. Apparently the shaky hand-held style doesn't translate as well to 3D as it does with other movies.

Although I'd be curious to hear what others thought who saw it in 3D.
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Old June 14 2013, 06:45 PM   #85
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I'll let you know.
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3D formatting?

Distracting, to put it mildly.

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Old June 14 2013, 07:02 PM   #87
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I have no illusions that I'm in anything but a minority but here's what I thought:

Man of Steel is one of those films that has been hyped to death in recent months. It’s something that has looked good, exciting, interesting and looked like it would rise above the mediocre director and prove he could do good work. Unfortunately as I sat there wondering why none of this action was exciting me and why I just wasn’t finding any of it engaging I realised that I was just surrounded by noise and light on a screen. Explosions and fires and debris to the point where it failed to have any meaning.

None of my complaints are about the changes to the story or characters, I don’t care about any of that. And don’t get me wrong, I know this is a comic book film and a summer blockbuster, I didn’t go in expecting a masterpiece of cinema, just some entertaining storytelling and some action. The storytelling in this film is actually interesting but unfortunately confined to short-lived bursts of Clark’s childhood. Snippets of his adult life and a brief prologue that devolves in to big CGI action.

I’m not averse to CGI action, I loved Star Trek Into Darkness, I also loved Iron Man 3, along with last year’s Avengers Assemble and even quite liked this year’s Tom Cruise-fest Oblivion. But this was dull. It felt soulless and empty. The characters so void of characterisation that they were nothing but names being ticked off a Superman checklist.

Now I know that after Superman Returns people were clamouring for there to be more action. ‘Superman didn’t even throw a punch’ they said, and I guess it’s a fair complaint but in Man of Steel there was far too much action, action to the point of boredom. Halve the action and give the story some room to breathe, the characters room to actually be characters, maybe a little growth, inject a sense of humour and this might have been a really good film.

When we come to the end of the film there are huge swathes of the city destroyed, some place in the south Indian ocean, likewise, ruined. The Kent farmhouse smashed, a large part of Smallville, too. Debris from a satellite raining down and Superman resorting to killing his enemy to save the day. This is the victory we take away from the film? Really? It really just left me feeling hollow, much like the movie itself.
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Old June 14 2013, 07:09 PM   #88
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Seen it.

Wasn't very good, great fight scenes in the last half but not enough to make up for the dull plot, dull characters and it really has no substance to it. I did nearly walk out half way through, I was that bored - the Krypton scene and origin were like a rejected idea from the prequels - but I'm glad I didn't as the fight scenes were admittedly spectacular. I would summarise it as Transformers but without cheesiness, self awareness and that takes itself very seriously. There is very little humour or cheesiness. It was a big dumb action movie without any redeeming features outside of the impressive action set pieces.

Henry Cavill was fine as Superman though, even though I thought he was too angry and whiny.

Though it should be noted that I loved Superman Returns and the Reeve movies.

I'm really pretty angry with it actually, I went in with no expectations and it was still really bad. Everytime I type something or post something, I think of something else that pissed me off. The music was really terrible, it was just war drums the entire time. There was nothing impressive or inspiring about it.

Posted this in the other thread, sorry for repeating. Gave it a D+, but the action scenes are the only thing that made is watchable.
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Old June 14 2013, 07:15 PM   #89
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Not even torrential downpours in NYC could dampen enthusiastic crowds forming long lines for Thursday late shows. Warner Bros and Legendary Pictures just announced its hotly anticipated Man Of Steel opened with a midnight show of $9 million.

Combined with $12M from a corporate group sale screening program at 7 PM, this third Superman franchise begins its North American run with a cume of $21M. “Off to a flying start!!!” A studio exec gushed to me just now. The number ranks 7th among late show records, behind only the Harry Potter and Twilight franchises, but ahead of The Hunger Games. It’s also the all-time highest superhero late show record, surpassing The Avengers’ remarkable $18.7M and The Dark Knight‘s $18.5M.
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Old June 14 2013, 07:15 PM   #90
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Agent Richard07 has covered a lot of my points/reaction to the film. He hits right on the head in saying its a SF invasion film: War of the Worlds meets The Day the Earth Stood Still.
I've thought for years that this was the perfect template for a Superman movie (though in my dreams it was a Darkseid invasion, not Zod). Why have a small threat when you're introducing SUPERMAN?
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