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Old June 9 2013, 08:39 PM   #31
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Re: Did the Klingons destroy Romulus in Abrams Star Trek?

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as luck wuold have it, Nero emerges in 2233 right next to a big orange star.
A big orange star at the edge of Federation space near the Klingon border/KNZ. Not a star in Romulan territory.
So ? It threatened the GALAXY. It was a completely new type of nova.
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Old June 9 2013, 10:05 PM   #32
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Now Rick Sternbach gave us that concept first with the Phi Puma supernova in his Chronology--galactic fault lines, super strings...
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Old June 9 2013, 10:18 PM   #33
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So ? It threatened the GALAXY. It was a completely new type of nova.
But it seemingly destroyed the Romulan capital before coming anywhere near other planets whose destruction would have been worthy of note, such as the Klingon capital, Earth, or, say, Vulcan. This implies it most likely originated in Romulan space.
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Old June 9 2013, 10:47 PM   #34
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But it seemingly destroyed the Romulan capital before coming anywhere near other planets whose destruction would have been worthy of note, such as the Klingon capital, Earth, or, say, Vulcan. This implies it most likely originated in Romulan space.
Klingon and Romulan spaces are very close to each other. Also, we don't know how this nova works, so saying it "implies" anything is speculation.
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Old June 10 2013, 09:40 PM   #35
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Klingon and Romulan spaces are very close to each other.
Hobus doesn't have to be in the part of Romulan space which is closest to Klingon space. Nimoy's narration didn't mention, say, Kronos getting destroyed or threatened with destruction. It doesn't give the impression that Klingon space and Romulan space were facing equally imminent doom and Spock just chose to try to save Romulus arbitrarily.
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Old June 11 2013, 10:27 AM   #36
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Well, Star Trek has never had an official map and the writers were always lazy about what's where. Remember in DS9 where the crew takes a runabout to Earth and get there real quick ?
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Old June 11 2013, 11:13 AM   #37
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Well, there have been maps of the galaxy seen in the episodes. However, a number of these maps contradict real world knowledge and fictional world knowledge.

I know from DS9 that the Romulan space is surrounded by the Cardassians, the Klingons, and the Federation.

"I'd pick the side most likely to leave us in peace when the dust settles. Maybe you're right. Maybe the Dominion will win in the end. Then the Founders will control what we now call Cardassia, the Klingon Empire and the Federation. So, instead of facing three separate opponents with three separate agendas, you'll find yourselves facing the same opponent on every side. There's a word for that. Surrounded".
This dialogue is from the episode "In the Pale Moonlight".

I know, based on inference, that the Klingons are either above or below the Romulans. How do I know this? There is this map from "The Defector". I know from Star Trek II that the Gamma Hydra Sector, named after the Gamma Hydra system, included a portion of the Federation-Klingon border. This map shows the outposts 3 to 6, which appeared in a map from "The Balance of Terror".

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Old June 11 2013, 12:38 PM   #38
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Yeah. Unfortunately the maps are often contradictory or, let's say, vague, like the one in Conspiracy (TNG).
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Old June 13 2013, 09:20 PM   #39
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Klingons did blow up a Cardassian star to destroy a Dominion shipyard plus Romulans should have seen a supernova coming from years ahead.

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Really? Did you miss the first movie? Romulans destroyed Romulus in Abrams universe. The Klingons had nothing to do with it.
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Old June 14 2013, 04:29 PM   #40
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Two things:

* There is no indication from the 09 film that Romulans had any role in the creation of the Hobus supernova.

* Romulus was destroyed in the Prime timeline, not the new one. I guess we could, generally speaking, call the new films "Abrams' universe" since it was his project, but that makes it sound like you're saying Romulus was destroyed in the new timeline.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:49 PM   #41
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Really? Did you miss the first movie? Romulans destroyed Romulus in Abrams universe. The Klingons had nothing to do with it.
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I thought so, for a second I thought I royally missed something.
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