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Old June 14 2013, 11:46 AM   #481
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Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas

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Turbolifts do take up space, but so does everything else. Space is not at a premium on a starship, there's plenty of extra room.
i would not waste space in a ship with a saucer section of 128 meters which had to host more than 420 persons
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Old June 14 2013, 12:03 PM   #482
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turbolift are a waste of space
So are bridges and bedrooms.

Hwo would you have them move about ? Stairs ? Transporters ?
stairs and corridors and normal lift, like today's ship (some are bigger than tos enterspise)
Yet none are as bizarrely shaped as the Enterprise. Getting from the shuttlebay to the bridge with only vertical lifts would require three or four elevator journies (two in the neck alone, owing to its angle) and a walk of about 200 meters. Not very good in an emergency situation!

Weird shaped ships need weird ways to get through them.
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Old June 14 2013, 12:56 PM   #483
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stairs and corridors and normal lift, like today's ship (some are bigger than tos enterspise)
Yet none are as bizarrely shaped as the Enterprise. Getting from the shuttlebay to the bridge with only vertical lifts would require three or four elevator journies (two in the neck alone, owing to its angle) and a walk of about 200 meters. Not very good in an emergency situation!

Weird shaped ships need weird ways to get through them.[/QUOTE]

solution: reduce neck angle
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Old June 14 2013, 01:12 PM   #484
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Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas

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Another thing that irritates me about TNG is synthehol and the almost sneery attitude that people have to alcohol.
If you came from a family of abusive alcoholics, you would find TNG's "sneery" attitude quite correct. Despite the fact that their attitude wasn't "sneery" at all.
No disrespect intended, but if you came from a family of abusive alcoholics and it was 1920, you probably would have thought the Eighteenth Amendment was a wonderful idea. It wasn't.

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Turbolifts do take up space, but so does everything else. Space is not at a premium on a starship, there's plenty of extra room.
Space is at a premium on any enclosed vessel that has to support X number of human (or humanoid) beings within a finite volume, whether it's an aircraft carrier, a submarine, or a starship.
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Old June 14 2013, 01:25 PM   #485
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they both have no sense
That doesn't really answer the question.
turbolift are a waste of space; emotionless alien are senseless because, well, i don't know how to explain it, it's more for internal coherence (vulcans seems to have emotions )
Well there is an entire thread in trek tech about turbolifts.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=214087

Some argue the space would be better utilised by instead of wasting space by having turbolifts, wasting space by having coridoors in their place. Yet like artifical gravity the turbolift network is very robust. And instead of the seconds it might take someone to get somehwere to say repair a compenant before it blows via turbolift, they would have to run their maybe taking minutes by which time it's too late.
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Old June 14 2013, 01:35 PM   #486
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No disrespect intended, but if you came from a family of abusive alcoholics and it was 1920, you probably would have thought the Eighteenth Amendment was a wonderful idea. It wasn't.
I don't see how Prohibition's failure is relevant to the issue.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:17 PM   #487
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Another thing that irritates me about TNG is synthehol and the almost sneery attitude that people have to alcohol.
If you came from a family of abusive alcoholics, you would find TNG's "sneery" attitude quite correct. Despite the fact that their attitude wasn't "sneery" at all.
No disrespect intended, but if you came from a family of abusive alcoholics and it was 1920, you probably would have thought the Eighteenth Amendment was a wonderful idea. It wasn't.
I did, and you're right about the eighteenth amendment. but put yourself in place place. If you were a disabled man (I am) and were beaten by a drunken brother (I was), you wouldn't want booze around you either. It's one of the reasons I don't drink and never will.

Of course, my brother (and other drunken relatives) also abused me verbally, but despite the fact that that was a hell of alot easier to defend against, it hurt just as much.

No, I understand that there are people who can handle alcohol and that's fine, but with my personal experience, I don't want it around me, and think that Synthehol would be a good thing (if it actually existed, that is).
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Old June 15 2013, 12:47 AM   #488
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turbolift are a waste of space
So are bridges and bedrooms.

How would you have them move about ? Stairs ? Transporters ?
stairs and corridors and normal lift, like today's ship (some are bigger than tos enterspise)
Why are regular lifts not silly and turbolifts silly ? I still have no clue why you keep saying that.

solution: reduce neck angle
A solution to a non-problem. Seriously, you'd change the design of the entire ship just to avoid using turbolifts ?

This reminds me of the Magic the Gathering player who told me the worst thing ever to happen to the game was the change in typeface for the cards.
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Old June 15 2013, 12:51 AM   #489
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Why are regular lifts not silly and turbolifts silly ? I still have no clue why you keep saying that.


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Old June 15 2013, 01:16 AM   #490
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If there were no turbolifts there would have to be stairwells. Imagine how long it would have taken Spock to carry Kirk and McCoy up the stairs to deck 78.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:17 AM   #491
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If there were no turbolifts there would have to be stairwells. Imagine how long it would have taken Spock to carry Kirk and McCoy up the stairs to deck 78.
Imagine how funny it would have been seeing him use the rocket boosters to zoom through the stairwells.

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Old June 15 2013, 02:06 AM   #492
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Well there is an entire thread in trek tech about turbolifts.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=214087
Started by the same poster whose arguing against them in this thread.
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Old June 15 2013, 02:28 AM   #493
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Started by the same poster whose arguing against them in this thread.


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Old June 15 2013, 06:24 AM   #494
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Maybe the fedration worlds purposely but all there douche bags on one ship to get them as far away as possible for a long time and hopefully get blown us!

Thats why they have there family on board too. Get rid of all of em haha
That could certainly explain that grating pomposity that most of the crew tend to exhibit at least occasionally.

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If you came from a family of abusive alcoholics, you would find TNG's "sneery" attitude quite correct. Despite the fact that their attitude wasn't "sneery" at all.
As someone who has very little patience with the preachiness of TNG, I have to admit I never thought they were being preachy about alcohol, simply stating that they had a similar tasting beverage without the intoxicating effects. Essentially, they just finally got near-beer right.
That makes no sense to me. The only reason to put up with the taste of beer is for the intoxication.
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Old June 15 2013, 01:20 PM   #495
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Actually it make 100% sense to have no real alcohol on a star ship.
I mean you dont want the crew to go off duty to a party get pissed then a borg ships appears?


Anyway I though synthahol did have intoxicating effects but they went rather quickly. So rather than knocking back beers and then waiting hours before you can drive. You can still knock those beers back then wait 30mins then drive!
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