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Old June 14 2013, 02:08 AM   #2116
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Box Office: "Star Trek Into Darkness already higher than its predecessor".
With more than 88,000 spectators in a single day, the new film by JJ Abrams starts in France. Star Trek started with 28.500.
Source: MYFT1 News
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Old June 14 2013, 02:45 AM   #2117
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I think that the decision "sequel or not" is primarily made based on the "plan" for the sequel, especially in an already established franchise. There are films that got a sequel even though they had horrible box office, because studios liked the concept and approach of the sequel plan. There are films that never got a sequel even though they had fantastic box office, because nobody was able to come up with a plan for a sequel that satisfied the studios.

Superman Returns did fine, but the concept for the sequel wasn't good.
Pretty much this. Superman Returns had a production budget of 260 million and made just under 400 million worldwide. While it's a good movie it's a poor superhero movie. Compared to Batman Begins which made less on a smaller budget. It inspired confidence to see a sequel. While Superman did not.

This is a quote from 2008 I found on IMDB by Warner Bros. Pictures Group President Jeff Robinov, "Superman Returns didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to. It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned. Had Superman worked in 2006, we would have had a movie for Christmas of this year or 2009. Now the plan is just to reintroduce Superman without regard to a Batman and Superman movie at all." This is after The Dark Knight blew up at the boxoffice.


Star Trek has nothing to worry about it will get a sequel. Most people just had higher expectations for it is all. Look at Fast and Furious 6. It's already made $500 million worldwide. Trek should be capable of that kind of business.
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Old June 14 2013, 02:51 AM   #2118
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I think two things hurt the film here in the States:

*Not using Khan in the marketing.
I'm not sure I agree. Non-fans don't care, and fans would see the movie anyway. Right ? What am I missing ?
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Old June 14 2013, 02:55 AM   #2119
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I think two things hurt the film here in the States:

*Not using Khan in the marketing.
I'm not sure I agree. Non-fans don't care, and fans would see the movie anyway. Right ? What am I missing ?
Khan has permeated pop-culture and would present a hook to mainstream audiences. In my opinion.



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Old June 14 2013, 03:06 AM   #2120
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If I really knew what caused films to succeed wildly or fail to do so, I'd - well, I'd know something that the people who bankroll, market and distribute them don't.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:42 AM   #2121
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There will be a third nuTrek film, but with the movie under performing Paramount's expectations, and the studio higher ups being irked by the Star Wars thing, there's still hope JJ won't be doing the next movie.

Really though, Abram's isn't as big of a problem as Orci. That's the guy that we really need to get away from Trek.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:46 AM   #2122
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There will be a third nuTrek film, but with the movie under performing Paramount's expectations, and the studio higher ups being irked by the Star Wars thing, there's still hope JJ won't be doing the next movie.

Really though, Abram's isn't as big of a problem as Orci. That's the guy that we really need to get away from Trek.
Why? So we can go back to the good old days of no one wanting to pay to see "Nemesis" or even watch Enterprise for free.

Sorry, Star Trek Into Darkness is the most fun I've had watching Trek since The Undiscovered Country was released in 1991. I will gladly welcome back Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:52 AM   #2123
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There will be a third nuTrek film, but with the movie under performing Paramount's expectations, and the studio higher ups being irked by the Star Wars thing, there's still hope JJ won't be doing the next movie.

Really though, Abram's isn't as big of a problem as Orci. That's the guy that we really need to get away from Trek.
"We need...?"

No. You want.

Abrams will produce and oversee the next Star Trek movie.

Orci is not going anywhere.

Period, full stop.
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Old June 14 2013, 04:02 AM   #2124
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There will be a third nuTrek film
Yes there will. Glad that is settled.

but with the movie under performing Paramount's expectations,
With the scale of the disappointment likely far less grand than some might wish, thankfully.

and the studio higher ups being irked by the Star Wars thing,
Do we have any evidence of this "being irked" or might this constitute further wishful thinking?


there's still hope JJ won't be doing the next movie.
A rather tiny shred of hope, though, and held onto by a pretty small group of people, in light of the exceedingly strong evidence* that many, many more people have an opposite (and rather more likely) "hope" in this matter.


*evidence being the excellent critical review ratings in the high 80s at Rotten Tomato, along with the very, very positive word of mouth from people who've seen the movie. Lest anyone think I was making it up.

Really though, Abram's isn't as big of a problem as Orci. That's the guy that we really need to get away from Trek.
"We" don't "need" anything of the kind. "You" might. But you are hardly in a position to invoke the "royal We" in terms of accurately representing the "needs of the many".
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Old June 14 2013, 06:17 AM   #2125
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According to Wikipedia,

CinemaScope's association with anamorphic projection is still so embedded in mass consciousness that all anamorphic prints are now referred to generically as "'Scope" prints.
In 2012, a Brazilian film director used Cinemascope for his film.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinemascope
And some people speak Latin, but it's still a dead language.
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Old June 14 2013, 09:11 AM   #2126
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The French have never liked Star Trek before.
In the 60s, 70s and 80s, enough French people loved ST that some comics, novelizations and novels were translated into French.

http://8of5archive.blogspot.com.au/2...-reprints.html
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Old June 14 2013, 12:53 PM   #2127
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According to Wikipedia,

CinemaScope's association with anamorphic projection is still so embedded in mass consciousness that all anamorphic prints are now referred to generically as "'Scope" prints.
In 2012, a Brazilian film director used Cinemascope for his film.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinemascope
And some people speak Latin, but it's still a dead language.
Actual CinemaScope is perhaps "mostly dead" but the use 'scope as shorthand for anamorphic prints and/or aspect ratios of 2.35-2.40:1 is so ubiquitous that to "correct" someone on that comes off somewhat pedantic (not to say I don't share the impulse to make such corrections--I was quite prone to doing so in my youth, but now I mainly leave that impulse for my classes).
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Old June 14 2013, 01:04 PM   #2128
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Man Of Steel is here. Last call for STID relevance to American audiences.



Aww cmon JJ don't look like that. Follow Karl's lead and enjoy the success you had.
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Old June 14 2013, 06:09 PM   #2129
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This is a quote from 2008 I found on IMDB by Warner Bros. Pictures Group President Jeff Robinov, "Superman Returns didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to. It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned.
Translation: "It didn't make us the half a billion we wanted, and that money had already been spent."
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Old June 14 2013, 07:22 PM   #2130
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Man Of Steel is here. Last call for STID relevance to American audiences.
No.
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