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Old June 13 2013, 09:20 PM   #6391
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The movie is review-proof, for gods' sake. Relax.
Maybe, maybe not. I am sure it will do a huge opening weekend but if the reviews are bad and people don't like it, then word of mouth could make it under perform.
Yes, which means it's review-proof.

It's going to do a huge opening weekend. This is because the reviews don't matter.

If people don't like it and give it poor WOM, then it could under-perform.

You know what the correlation between reviews and WOM is?

Bupkis.

Star Trek Into Darkness had 87% Fresh and has made 380 million, give or take, worldwide.

Fast & Furious 6 had only 71% Fresh and currently has made 589 million worldwide, with a week less in theaters thus far.
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Old June 13 2013, 09:33 PM   #6392
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Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release)

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The movie is review-proof, for gods' sake. Relax.
No movie is review proof, not even (sadly) this one.
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Old June 13 2013, 09:39 PM   #6393
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The movie is review-proof, for gods' sake. Relax.
No movie is review proof, not even (sadly) this one.
Wrong. Actually, most blockbusters are.

One can point to the movies that everybody hates - reviewers and moviegoers alike - as some kind of evidence that reviewers "influence" the audience, but there's no good correlation between the success of these big-budget summer blowouts and reviews at all.

If there were, Michael Bay would be taking my lunch order at Tastee Diner.

You know what movie has an RT rating lower than the one Man Of Steel has today? Star Wars: The Phantom Menace.

BTW, the most successful film in history had a "Fresh" rating slightly lower than Star Trek Into Darkness.
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Old June 13 2013, 09:44 PM   #6394
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No movie is review proof, not even (sadly) this one.
There's no consistent correlation between reviews and box office performance, nor between critical opinion and the reaction of the moviegoing public. The Great Gastby has a 50% rating on RT (30% from top critics), but a 72% audience rating (and a 7.5 rating on IMDB), and it's had a pretty leggy run at the box office.
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Old June 13 2013, 09:45 PM   #6395
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Re: Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release)

Admiral Buzzkill wrote: View Post
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The movie is review-proof, for gods' sake. Relax.
Maybe, maybe not. I am sure it will do a huge opening weekend but if the reviews are bad and people don't like it, then word of mouth could make it under perform.
Yes, which means it's review-proof.

It's going to do a huge opening weekend. This is because the reviews don't matter.

If people don't like it and give it poor WOM, then it could under-perform.

You know what the correlation between reviews and WOM is?

Bupkis.

Star Trek Into Darkness had 87% Fresh and has made 380 million, give or take, worldwide.

Fast & Furious 6 had only 71% Fresh and currently has made 589 million worldwide, with a week less in theaters thus far.
I see what you're saying. The critics may not be Kryptonite to this movie but word of mouth may do some damage if the fans do not like it also.
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Old June 13 2013, 10:00 PM   #6396
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For comparison, The Avengers had 296 reviews (a 92%) MoS sits right now at 120 reviews. So when more reviews come out tonight/tomorrow the pendulum could swing the other way.
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Old June 14 2013, 12:21 AM   #6397
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Yep. Word of mouth matters, but almost no one stays away from this kind of flick because of bad reviews.
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Old June 14 2013, 12:47 AM   #6398
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BTW, the most successful film in history had a "Fresh" rating slightly lower than Star Trek Into Darkness.
By the measure of nominal dollars, Avatar is the winner, yes.

Box Office Mojo doesn't have a worldwide adjusted for inflation chart, only domestic. But it looks like Gone with the Wind would easily be the winner in adjusted sales, worldwide, since it wins the adjusted domestic hands down, and since it made about the same amount foreign as domestic.

It's probably meaningful on point only to talk about recent history.
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Old June 14 2013, 01:46 AM   #6399
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Speaking for myself, if it keeps teetering on rotten, I'm gonna find something else to do this weekend.
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Old June 14 2013, 02:17 AM   #6400
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Speaking for myself, if it keeps teetering on rotten, I'm gonna find something else to do this weekend.
Yes, let others think for ya...

Haters hate on everything because its cool to be a hater. No other reason.

Im hitting this thing saturday morning.
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Old June 14 2013, 02:30 AM   #6401
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I don't give a flying fuck what movie reviewers say when it comes to picking a movie to see - there's an enormous amount of direct information about every film out there, you know, on this thing called the Internet - and I can't recall the last time that a movie disappointed the expectation I had going it.

BTW, as little sway as these Internet reviewers have on English speaking audiences, they have virtually none in the rest of the world. Man Of Steel is going to make bank big time internationally.
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Old June 14 2013, 02:50 AM   #6402
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I do think for myself. Until the reviews slide so far that it becomes a no brainer
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Old June 14 2013, 03:08 AM   #6403
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The movie is perfectly watchable and enjoyable. Go see it. It may be lacking problems when it comes to many things in movie making, pacing, and characterizations but I don't think an abundance of dutch angles and flashy action scenes should be enough to turn one away from a movie. Go see it and make your own opinions rather than going off the opinions of journalists and film-school dropouts.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:16 AM   #6404
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^"Lacking problems" is a good thing, you know.

Fandango has my money, I'm going Saturday afternoon.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:19 AM   #6405
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I don't give a flying fuck what movie reviewers say when it comes to picking a movie to see - there's an enormous amount of direct information about every film out there, you know, on this thing called the Internet - and I can't recall the last time that a movie disappointed the expectation I had going it.

BTW, as little sway as these Internet reviewers have on English speaking audiences, they have virtually none in the rest of the world. Man Of Steel is going to make bank big time internationally.
It's started off well in the Philippines, and from what I've read from those who saw it there, they loved it:

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/man-ste...142031329.html
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