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View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 28 11.16%
A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
D+ 8 3.19%
D 10 3.98%
D- 5 1.99%
F 4 1.59%
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Old June 13 2013, 05:56 AM   #31
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The reviews haven't been kind to this movie, which is surprising. I thought all the pre-release buzz was very good?
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Old June 13 2013, 07:21 AM   #32
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Where is Brandon Routh? Even Cain got on the cover!
Dean Cain was Superman in a series which was on one of the major networks for 4 years. At its height it was almost certainly had higher ratings than Smallville. Which was an lower tier networks WB and CW. Why the hell should he not be included?????!!!
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Old June 13 2013, 02:09 PM   #33
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Okay, so presumably the two comics versions of Superman on the bottom of the EW cover are Joe Shuster's art on the left and Jim Lee's on the right (or at least that's Lee's costume design), but is that a John Byrne drawing up above? It looks somewhat like his style, but I'm not certain.

Of course, they also left out all the animated versions of Superman, such as the Fleischer and Timm designs.
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Old June 13 2013, 02:27 PM   #34
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Okay, so presumably the two comics versions of Superman on the bottom of the EW cover are Joe Shuster's art on the left and Jim Lee's on the right (or at least that's Lee's costume design), but is that a John Byrne drawing up above? It looks somewhat like his style, but I'm not certain.
No, that's not Byrne. It looks like Alan Davis to me.

And yes, it's Jim Lee on the right.
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Old June 13 2013, 04:18 PM   #35
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Jeez, now at 60% on RT. Something tells me Warners was not expecting this to score worse than SR.

Still though, from all the fan reviews and twitter reactions I've seen, the general audience will still enjoy the heck out of it.
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Old June 13 2013, 04:25 PM   #36
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It's interesting, how little correlation there is between Rotten Tomatoes review aggregation and box office. STID was better reviewed, by their measure, than Iron Man 3 and Man Of Steel, and both movies have or will far surpass it in their grosses.

Maybe reviewers set a lower bar for Star Trek.
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Old June 13 2013, 04:31 PM   #37
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Okay, so presumably the two comics versions of Superman on the bottom of the EW cover are Joe Shuster's art on the left and Jim Lee's on the right (or at least that's Lee's costume design), but is that a John Byrne drawing up above? It looks somewhat like his style, but I'm not certain.
No, that's not Byrne. It looks like Alan Davis to me.

And yes, it's Jim Lee on the right.
No that image is a lot older than. Its from the 1970s. I believe its early Neal Adams.
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Old June 13 2013, 04:33 PM   #38
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The Transformers sequels were trashed by the critics, too (20% and 36%), but that didn't change their fate at the box office. In the age of mass-marketing pushes and screen saturation (not to mention the decline of newspapers, which have taken a lot of film critics down with them) the time when a bad review could have an effect on a movie's box office is probably over.

This is perhaps less true for art house movies, but they are released on a much smaller scale.
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Old June 13 2013, 04:37 PM   #39
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What's interesting is that in the big image on the EW cover they manage to go with the "traditional" costume while hiding the Speedo.

EW is owned by Time Warner. That in itself (along with crowding) may explain leaving Routh out.

Has any live-action version of Superman ever used the trademarked version of Supes' shield? Oddly, it looks like the Lois & Clark version may be closest.
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Old June 13 2013, 05:05 PM   #40
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Shocking: Man of Steel: 59% fresh. STID: 87% fresh. RT has the wrong symbol up.

The consensus: Superman...why so serious??
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Old June 13 2013, 06:20 PM   #41
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What's interesting is that in the big image on the EW cover they manage to go with the "traditional" costume while hiding the Speedo.

EW is owned by Time Warner. That in itself (along with crowding) may explain leaving Routh out.

Has any live-action version of Superman ever used the trademarked version of Supes' shield? Oddly, it looks like the Lois & Clark version may be closest.
I figured out that image is from the cover of Action Comics #419 in 1972. It's exactly the original were the red shorts could not be seen.

The Superboy costumes both actors in that series wore had the offical logo. Plus the suit Dean Cain wore in the L&C pilot. After that he had a similar one that was slightly modified.
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Old June 13 2013, 06:29 PM   #42
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That EW cover tells me one thing;

That is NOT a flattering outfit.
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Old June 13 2013, 08:13 PM   #43
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Superman's costume isn't "flattering;" it's way too far out there. That said, this version is better looking than previous live-action attempts.

Yes it is.
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Old June 13 2013, 08:38 PM   #44
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Oh man...
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Old June 13 2013, 09:01 PM   #45
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^If it's sunk that much in just a day, then it could rise just as much by tomorrow. It takes time for a consensus to emerge.

Note also that the 58% rating for "all critics" is given a "rotten" symbol while the 60% rating for "top critics" -- which is statistically indistinguishable from the former -- gets a "fresh" symbol. Clearly the dividing line between what they label good and bad is rather arbitrary, and the icons are a gross oversimplification. (I read at least one "rotten"-labeled review that was actually largely positive. A binary system like RT's is not good at dealing with nuance and ambivalence.)
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